Peterborough North

[trw1089]

Lovely shots of the W1 Gilbert, given my era is ‘52-53 it looks somewhat cleaner on my layout.  Perhaps just after shopping?  It’s probably a little late for me but I do like it.

[great northern]

Another angle on W1 and A2/2.

and the W1 stationary at Platform 3, a long way off the end with 13 on.

[great northern]

13 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

That’s a remarkably uniform livery by your normal standards!

Just give him a bit of time.

[great northern]

Ivatts tonight. At 5.57pm we have an arrival from South Lynn.

A short distance further on, it passes another one, also due to move at 5.57pm, and to have a slightly longer journey, as it is going to Kings Lynn.

[Metropolitan H]

I did like the pictures of both models of the rebuilt "Hush-Hush". That locomotive was responsible for Arthur Alexander Holmes - my paternal grandfather - doing one special shift a little while after he had retired from being a signalman at Westwood Junction Box.

 

My father recorded the event in the family history he wrote in the late 1970s -

 

"Not long after Arthur retired there was an accident at Westwood which concerned the rebuilt “Hush-Hush” locomotive which failed to find favour with Gresley and was rebuilt in the style of an A4 on its original chassis with four trailing wheels instead of the normal two – arranged as 4-6-2-2. This engine with an experimental high pressure boiler was built in 1930 and numbered 10000. When the accident happened the engine was numbered 60700 and classified W1.

It seems that something strange happened, possibly as a result of the unusual trailing wheel arrangement just as the train was going North under Westwood bridge; the engine was derailed and appeared to throw itself at the signal box coming to a stop at the bottom of the steps. (The reason was actually a fatigue crack failure of the leading bogie frame. The similar leading bogie frames on the A4s were then checked and found to have similar cracks, which were repaired before there were any more incidents).

A passerby told Arthur about this soon after it happened while he was working in his back garden. He cycled off to have a look and found the signalman on duty suffering from shock, so took charge of the box operating the clear lines until the next signalman came on duty. The railway authorities sent him a pleasant letter of thanks and a cheque for the appropriate amount of pay for the time he was at the box."

 

So the two models are before and after the derailment and subsequent heavy repairs.

 

Regards

Chris H

[great northern]

The 4.28 KX-York and Hull sees that filthy A2/3 on the way home again.

[Tony Wright]

13 hours ago, great northern said:

Ivatts tonight. At 5.57pm we have an arrival from South Lynn.

A short distance further on, it passes another one, also due to move at 5.57pm, and to have a slightly longer journey, as it is going to Kings Lynn.

Good morning Gilbert,

 

I took a similar shot to the top one above............

 

 

 

 

Shot against bright sunlight, my use of fill-in (powerful) flash has enabled me to bring detail out of the shadows.

 

It took me over an hour to process this!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

The 4.28 KX-York and Hull sees that filthy A2/3 on the way home again.

 

 

Morning again, Gilbert,

 

Snap!

 

 

It's interesting the differences in colour rendition between your Canon and my Nikon (and the way fill-in flash brings out detail from shadows). 

 

I went further along to capture SUN STREAM ready to depart..........

 

 

Snap again!

 

 

Inasmuch as it's the same Bachmann/King A2/3 conversion to create 60515. 

 

Graeme did this conversion for me (by way of barter) and I detailed it (new bogie wheels, wiggly pipes, etc), patch-painted it, numbered/named it and weathered it. It's positively clean by 50A's standards. 

 

However.......

 

 

This condition must have been a real rarity (copyright restrictions apply, please). 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by Tony Wright
to add something

[great northern]

31 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

 

 

Morning again, Gilbert,

 

Snap!

 

 

It's interesting the differences in colour rendition between your Canon and my Nikon (and the way fill-in flash brings out detail from shadows). 

 

I went further along to capture SUN STREAM ready to depart..........

 

 

Snap again!

 

 

Inasmuch as it's the same Bachmann/King A2/3 conversion to create 60515. 

 

Graeme did this conversion for me (by way of barter) and I detailed it (new bogie wheels, wiggly pipes, etc), patch-painted it, numbered/named it and weathered it. It's positively clean by 50A's standards. 

 

However.......

 

 

This condition must have been a real rarity (copyright restrictions apply, please). 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

I think there's a large element of personal preference here Tony, apart from the fact that my skill and knowledge levels are far below yours, and my idleness quota far above. I certainly wouldn't spend that long on one image. If I found myself going that way it would be filed under "too difficult", and later erased.

 

My preference is for atmosphere, if I can get it, rather than the best possible image, which I'm not capable of doing anyway, so if there are shadows and imperfections, so be it. It is 1958, after all, so even my Mum's pre war Rolliecord, if she would let me use it, wouldn't produce great results, and that's before we even think about photos of moving locos.

 

Light conditions are a big factor too, as shown by the images below. The first of 60065 was taken when you were here, but into the afternoon, so we had lights on.

The next day I went up again, but earlier and with the benefit of full sunlight, and got this, which I much prefer.

though I think I could have muted the colour balance a little more. For those who like to follow events, this is the 2.45 Hull-KX. I actually checked this with the WTT after typing it, as it seemed a very long time for the journey, but no, it is correct. Left Hull 2.45, arrived Doncaster 4.14, a six minute stop there, three minutes at Retford, another five at Grantham, where I suspect a loco change took place, and finally rolled in to PN at 6.04, if on time. Arrive KX 7.40, just under five hours from Hull!

 

I'd be interested to see other people's preferences regarding those two images please.

[Oldddudders]

The second image provides more detail on loco and stock, so it is likely to be preferred by most hobbyists. 

[Tony Wright]

4 minutes ago, great northern said:

I think there's a large element of personal preference here Tony, apart from the fact that my skill and knowledge levels are far below yours, and my idleness quota far above. I certainly wouldn't spend that long on one image. If I found myself going that way it would be filed under "too difficult", and later erased.

 

My preference is for atmosphere, if I can get it, rather than the best possible image, which I'm not capable of doing anyway, so if there are shadows and imperfections, so be it. It is 1958, after all, so even my Mum's pre war Rolliecord, if she would let me use it, wouldn't produce great results, and that's before we even think about photos of moving locos.

 

Light conditions are a big factor too, as shown by the images below. The first of 60065 was taken when you were here, but into the afternoon, so we had lights on.

The next day I went up again, but earlier and with the benefit of full sunlight, and got this, which I much prefer.

though I think I could have muted the colour balance a little more. For those who like to follow events, this is the 2.45 Hull-KX. I actually checked this with the WTT after typing it, as it seemed a very long time for the journey, but no, it is correct. Left Hull 2.45, arrived Doncaster 4.14, a six minute stop there, three minutes at Retford, another five at Grantham, where I suspect a loco change took place, and finally rolled in to PN at 6.04, if on time. Arrive KX 7.40, just under five hours from Hull!

 

I'd be interested to see other people's preferences regarding those two images please.

I definitely prefer the second image Gilbert,

 

I wasn't being critical of your pictures; some are remarkably-realistic indeed.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[landscapes]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

I think there's a large element of personal preference here Tony, apart from the fact that my skill and knowledge levels are far below yours, and my idleness quota far above. I certainly wouldn't spend that long on one image. If I found myself going that way it would be filed under "too difficult", and later erased.

 

My preference is for atmosphere, if I can get it, rather than the best possible image, which I'm not capable of doing anyway, so if there are shadows and imperfections, so be it. It is 1958, after all, so even my Mum's pre war Rolliecord, if she would let me use it, wouldn't produce great results, and that's before we even think about photos of moving locos.

 

Light conditions are a big factor too, as shown by the images below. The first of 60065 was taken when you were here, but into the afternoon, so we had lights on.

The next day I went up again, but earlier and with the benefit of full sunlight, and got this, which I much prefer.

though I think I could have muted the colour balance a little more. For those who like to follow events, this is the 2.45 Hull-KX. I actually checked this with the WTT after typing it, as it seemed a very long time for the journey, but no, it is correct. Left Hull 2.45, arrived Doncaster 4.14, a six minute stop there, three minutes at Retford, another five at Grantham, where I suspect a loco change took place, and finally rolled in to PN at 6.04, if on time. Arrive KX 7.40, just under five hours from Hull!

 

I'd be interested to see other people's preferences regarding those two images please.

Hi Gilbert

 

I find it interesting reading your comments on photography lighting on your Peterborough North Layout.

 

I have a similar problem but with a different outcome, the room I have Haymarket in has just one bay window facing South West and it’s located at the wrong end of the layout to make the situation worse.

 

This means I cannot get any decent coloured photos during natural daylight hours, so I have had two rows of LED down lighters installed with light tracks positioned either side of the baseboards with Natural Daylight LED’s in each light fitting.

 

The light fittings slide along the two  lighting tracks which means I can position them anywhere alone the track length I want or remove them altogether from one track to the other so I can boost the lighting to the side of the layout I’m photographing at the time.

 

I only photograph when it’s dark outside but I do find that the colour looks so much more natural and the photos are a big improvement over any daylight photos I take.

 

Lighting apart your photos are still exceptional. 

 

Regards

 

David

 

 

 

 

Edited January 25, 2023 by landscapes
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[Clive Mortimore]

Not being a photographer I just like seeing Gilbert's trains.

[great northern]

2 hours ago, landscapes said:

Hi Gilbert

 

I find it interesting reading your comments on photography lighting on your Peterborough North Layout.

 

I have a similar problem but with a different outcome, the room I have Haymarket in has just one bay window facing South West and it’s located at the wrong end of the layout to make the situation worse.

 

This means I cannot get any decent coloured photos during natural daylight hours, so I have had two rows of LED down lighters installed with light tracks positioned either side of the baseboards with Natural Daylight LED’s in each light fitting.

 

The light fittings slide along the two  lighting tracks which means I can position them anywhere alone the track length I want or remove them altogether from one track to the other so I can boost the lighting to the side of the layout I’m photographing at the time.

 

I only photograph when it’s dark outside but I do find that the colour looks so much more natural and the photos are a big improvement over any daylight photos I take.

 

Lighting apart your photos are still exceptional. 

 

Regards

 

David

 

 

 

 

Thank you David. Thought provoking.

[great northern]

1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Not being a photographer I just like seeing Gilbert's trains.

Easily pleased, bless him.☺️

[great northern]

Just after 6pm, a East to Leicester local waits at Platform 6 behind a Spital Bridge 4F.

and at 6.06, it is on its way.

[Woodcock29]

10 hours ago, great northern said:

I think there's a large element of personal preference here Tony, apart from the fact that my skill and knowledge levels are far below yours, and my idleness quota far above. I certainly wouldn't spend that long on one image. If I found myself going that way it would be filed under "too difficult", and later erased.

 

My preference is for atmosphere, if I can get it, rather than the best possible image, which I'm not capable of doing anyway, so if there are shadows and imperfections, so be it. It is 1958, after all, so even my Mum's pre war Rolliecord, if she would let me use it, wouldn't produce great results, and that's before we even think about photos of moving locos.

 

Light conditions are a big factor too, as shown by the images below. The first of 60065 was taken when you were here, but into the afternoon, so we had lights on.

The next day I went up again, but earlier and with the benefit of full sunlight, and got this, which I much prefer.

though I think I could have muted the colour balance a little more. For those who like to follow events, this is the 2.45 Hull-KX. I actually checked this with the WTT after typing it, as it seemed a very long time for the journey, but no, it is correct. Left Hull 2.45, arrived Doncaster 4.14, a six minute stop there, three minutes at Retford, another five at Grantham, where I suspect a loco change took place, and finally rolled in to PN at 6.04, if on time. Arrive KX 7.40, just under five hours from Hull!

 

I'd be interested to see other people's preferences regarding those two images please.

Second for me.

Andrew

[Clive Mortimore]

2 hours ago, great northern said:

Just after 6pm, a East to Leicester local waits at Platform 6 behind a Spital Bridge 4F.

and at 6.06, it is on its way.

Not only a proper n-gin but it has a proper front coupling. 🥴

[great northern]

9 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Not only a proper n-gin but it has a proper front coupling. 🥴

If I had time, I'd be looking for a clip round ear emoji, but as Peter Leyland is due soon I must get on with things.

[great northern]

A plonk and a semi plonk* this morning, featuring the area which will see further development today. * A semi plonk is one where an engine partly intrudes. It will be popular on a small island, I pedict.

 

 

[great northern]

Peter Leyland had a rather difficult start to his day, culminating in his missing his exit from the M6, and not getting here till about 1130. However, he then put in a very long day, and didn't leave here till 7pm, with a two hour plus journey ahead of him before he got home. There was a lot of progress, though some of it may not be very obvious when I take photos, which won't happen till tomorrow.

 

Our evening photos again have the background of the work area, though of course do not show anything of what was done today. You must wait till tomorrow to marvel. Walls!!! fences!!!!! paths!!!!.

 

Here is 60065 again, waiting time.

and as it pulled away a Welwyn GC to New England Class D appeared on the Down slow, hauled by one of our few locally based K3s.

[great northern]

Local departures. The L1 on its way home to Grantham.

and five minutes later the J11 starts away to Boston.

[great northern]

Well it's like this, you see. This morning it was dull and dismal, but the forecast said that by 1100 it would be lovely and sunny, and stay like that, so I waited. At 1100 it was still very dark, the sun obviously having been delayed, and though each succeeding hourly forecast said it would arrive soon, by lunchtime it still hadn't. 3pm sunny, it said now, so I went out for my walk early while waiting for it. A short walk somehow turned into a longer one, and finished up as 5.2 miles in a little over an hour and a quarter. Still no sun, and when I got in my legs said that we were now going to do sitting down, so I did. All of which means, no photos of yesterday's work.

 

Here though is our lovely valanced D16, waiting to go down to East.

 

Edited January 27, 2023 by great northern
to put the photo in.

[great northern]

Hopefully happy holidymakers return home from Skegness to resume their normal lives in Hertford and Hitchin. Hitchin is 61027's home too.

I have a CGW front numberplate for the B1, much better than the huge thing it has now. All I have to do is find it. Next is a view I haven't tried before, and which I think works rather well. What do you think?

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by great northern
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[landscapes]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

Hopefully happy holidymakers return home from Skegness to resume their normal lives in Hertford and Hitchin. Hitchin is 61027's home too.

I have a CGW front numberplate for the B1, much better than the huge thing it has now. All I have to do is find it. Next is a view I haven't tried before, and which I think works rather well. What do you think?

 

Hi Gilbert

A very nice angle, but my only comment would be to crop out some of the track work in the foreground.

 

As good as the trackwork is to me it just slightly dominates the photo.

 

I do have a similar problem with Haymarket, the only difference is due to the layout design I cannot avoid having running lines in the foreground unless I produce a high level (Birds Eye View) photo.

 

This is a suggestion and in no way a criticism of your layout or photography skills.

 

Regards

 

David

Edited January 28, 2023 by landscapes
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