Peterborough North

[great northern]

An experiment which I don't think came off. Little merit to this, but every image I can get at the moment helps, so here it is.

 

Then we have yet another 9F on its way to Ferme Park.

[Anthony]

So difficult at this time of year, I realise, but I have to agree the first one is a bit empty.  Never mind, always so grateful for all the images you spoil us with.

 

Anthony

[great northern]

The 9F drags its wagons alongside Platform 2.

and will soon meet another New England engine, one of the few V2s still in black livery, which has a Clarence Yard to Niddrie Class C in tow.

[great northern]

More of 60853 this evening. If nothing else, these show the considerable difference in lighting between north and south ends, caused I'm pretty sure by the south end light unit being more directly over the layout.

[St Enodoc]

4 hours ago, great northern said:

More of 60853 this evening. If nothing else, these show the considerable difference in lighting between north and south ends, caused I'm pretty sure by the south end light unit being more directly over the layout.

It's always sunnier in the South.

[manna]

On 11/01/2024 at 04:56, great northern said:

An experiment which I don't think came off. Little merit to this, but every image I can get at the moment helps, so here it is.

 

Then we have yet another 9F on its way to Ferme Park.

G'Day Folks

 

I like that view of W1, next to the slab wall of the bridge, a good everyday pic of the railways doing it's job. It wasn't all glamour.

 

manna

 

manna

[great northern]

It all goes quiet for a while around 5.30pm, so when a DMU appears from Skegness it gets a  bit more attention than it might if there was something more glamorous around.

It even got a second shot as it throbbed away in the gloom.

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

It all goes quiet for a while around 5.30pm, so when a DMU appears from Skegness it gets a  bit more attention than it might if there was something more glamorous around.

It even got a second shot as it throbbed away in the gloom.

Ah a lovely Cravens unit. Bill Haley and the Comets sung this song about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXFXB4uknI

 

[great northern]

2 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Ah a lovely Cravens unit. Bill Haley and the Comets sung this song about them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CXFXB4uknI

 

Jolly clever to do it before they were even built though.

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Edited January 12 by great northern
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[Clive Mortimore]

2 hours ago, great northern said:

Jolly clever to do it before they were even built though.

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Way before my time, so I wouldn't know.

[great northern]

Clive is having a good day today, as Leicester have turned out a 3F for the teatime local from East.

On the main we see a Colwick B1 on its way home with a Class D from Welwyn Garden City.

 

[Clive Mortimore]

19 minutes ago, great northern said:

Clive is having a good day today, as Leicester have turned out a 3F for the teatime local from East.

Shear functional beauty on wheels. Only matched by a MR 990 class 4 passenger loco.

[New Haven Neil]

Forgive me for I have....fallen behind in my viewing!  Sorry, personal health issues.

 

Thanks for the N5 plonk, lovely shot, I rather like the 3F too, memories of an old Tri-ang one.

[thegreenhowards]

23 hours ago, great northern said:

It all goes quiet for a while around 5.30pm, so when a DMU appears from Skegness it gets a  bit more attention than it might if there was something more glamorous around.

 

Not from me I’m afraid. Give me an EE type 4 or Deltic any time and I’ll bite your hand off, but bog carts are just glorified buses!

[great northern]

We seem to have this Colwick goods covered from several angles. Up on the bridge....

and from the Midland sidings.

[great northern]

3 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

 

Not from me I’m afraid. Give me an EE type 4 or Deltic any time and I’ll bite your hand off, but bog carts are just glorified buses!

Yes, I'm inclined to agree with you. The only thing in their favour when they first appeared was the view from the front seat, if some nasty mean driver didn't pull the blinds down. They came to Lincoln very early, so by the time I was old enough to understand and appreciate them most of the steam hauled trains with antiquated locos and stock were gone. That's a good enough reason for not liking DMUs. Totally lacking in character as well. Clive will be along shortly. In seething mode.

[thegreenhowards]

7 minutes ago, great northern said:

Clive will be along shortly. In seething mode.

It’s almost worth putting up with the DMU for that!

[drmditch]

Re: Coaching Stock in sidings.

(As in "the C12 has been down to Nene sidings to collect the stock for the 5.25 slow to KX")

 

Would not steam-heated coaches put away in sidings for any length of time need to be heated before inclusion in a train?

Or were there special provisions for heating stock?

(perhaps withdrawn locomotives of the sort one sees pictures of at sheds.)

 

Or perhaps PN is set at the time of year when heating was not required?

[great northern]

3 hours ago, drmditch said:

Re: Coaching Stock in sidings.

(As in "the C12 has been down to Nene sidings to collect the stock for the 5.25 slow to KX")

 

Would not steam-heated coaches put away in sidings for any length of time need to be heated before inclusion in a train?

Or were there special provisions for heating stock?

(perhaps withdrawn locomotives of the sort one sees pictures of at sheds.)

 

Or perhaps PN is set at the time of year when heating was not required?

PN is set in the summer of 1958 nearly all the time, so that isn't something I've considered. I'd be surprised if the two station pilots would have had time to be down in Nene sidings heating stock, as there was plenty of work for them at the station. Some photos do show the loco which will be taking the train bringing the stock in themselves, so I suppose they could have gone down early and done the job themselves. I admit it is something I hadn't thought about. Are any of our erudite contributors able to give us an answer?

[jazzer]

Without trawling back over old Trains Illustrateds to check I am pretty sure that  couple of BI’s were kept for carriage heating purposes at Holloway or somewhere to steam heat stock for Kings Cross for some tome after the demise of steam .. I don’t think there was any carriage heating in the summer months though ( possibly for the duration of the summer timetable).

I have read that the reason the Standard 9F’s were not used on winter passenger trains was because they lacked steam heating equipment. Has anyone seen photos of 9F’s on winter passenger services ?
I am not dead certain about this but fairly sure that in some areas at least it was common practice to remove steam hearting equipment during the summer , presumably to prevent corrosion.

I suppose one way to check would be to look at some pictures taken in summer and see if there are any signs of steam leaks coming up from between the couplings as there certainly are in winter. 
 

Edited January 13 by jazzer

[great northern]

The Colwick B1 has now reached the north end, where there are more photographers to record its progress.

 

Another ray of sunshine creeps through an imperceptible gap beween the blinds.

[great northern]

The goods has gone, and our shortest passenger train of the day, the two coach 4.45pm from Grantham, arrives behind an A5 from its home town.

 

[great northern]

A5 stationary, waiting for what few passengers there may be to get off, so that it can get going again, and stop adding to the smoke and pollution under the roof.

Another Ivatt 4 has come through unnoticed, and has tucked its three Midland coaches into the bay, ready for departure at 5.57pm.

[mullie]

On 13/01/2024 at 18:28, jazzer said:

Without trawling back over old Trains Illustrateds to check I am pretty sure that  couple of BI’s were kept for carriage heating purposes at Holloway or somewhere to steam heat stock for Kings Cross for some tome after the demise of steam .. I don’t think there was any carriage heating in the summer months though ( possibly for the duration of the summer timetable).

I have read that the reason the Standard 9F’s were not used on winter passenger trains was because they lacked steam heating equipment. Has anyone seen photos of 9F’s on winter passenger services ?
I am not dead certain about this but fairly sure that in some areas at least it was common practice to remove steam hearting equipment during the summer , presumably to prevent corrosion.

I suppose one way to check would be to look at some pictures taken in summer and see if there are any signs of steam leaks coming up from between the couplings as there certainly are in winter. 
 

According to Dr Ian Allen B1s were used for steam heating at Yarmouth Vauxhall, Norwich, Lowestoft and Ipswich during the winter of 1962/63. They were given new numbers and their couplings removed so they couldn't be put back in traffic. A photo of such a B1 is featured in one of his excellent photo albums.

 

A J15 was used as a stationary boiler at Melton Constable after its withdrawal.

 

Martyn

[Clive Mortimore]

37 minutes ago, mullie said:

According to Dr Ian Allen B1s were used for steam heating at Yarmouth Vauxhall, Norwich, Lowestoft and Ipswich during the winter of 1962/63. They were given new numbers and their couplings removed so they couldn't be put back in traffic. A photo of such a B1 is featured in one of his excellent photo albums.

 

A J15 was used as a stationary boiler at Melton Constable after its withdrawal.

 

Martyn

All photos of the carriage warming units I have seen have their couplings in place. I have seen a photo of the Ipswich carriage warming unit playing at being a Thunderbird and rescuing a failed DMU at Manningtree.

 

Norwich's nuber 19 on loan to Hanging Hill Depot