Peterborough North

[mullie]

This might be heresy and I will go and wash my mouth out but I do like the site of an A4 on an express goods but then I also like 4mts!

 

Martyn

[great northern]

Now it is the turn of the K2 to start its trip to Grimsby.

and no more than a minute later, Wolf of Badenoch brings in the Up Glasgow.

[great northern]

The Wolf again, a side on view which shows they did have an impressive presence, whatever their abilities.

Some six minutes later, 60506 has gone home to New England, 60006 has backed on, and is now seen coming under the bridhe and on its way to KX.

[great northern]

Another A4, another named express, the Talisman this time, Quicksilver at the head. 

 

Rapidly fading light by the time I took these, so lots of shadows and glare. Never mind, the days are getting longer.

[great northern]

As the Talisman passes, the B17 is drawing its stock from the siding and into Platform 2, not quite blotting out the view of the artic twin.

 

Now back up to the sand drag of the Down slow, from which we can see Quicksilver, the waiting 02 and the rear of the B17's stock. I am confident that the guard will put the rear lamp on when he reaches the platform.

[great northern]

The final shot of the Talisman as it heads off towards the north.

Soon afterwards, Champion Lodge has moved through and is peering out from under the roof.

 

Must have been a big storm to leave that debris on the platform.

[30368]

4 minutes ago, great northern said:

Must have been a big storm to leave that debris on the platform.

 

Very contemporary that....

So many people suffering the effects of recent storms including friends of ours down in Wiltshire. If we ever flood in Buxton then the game is up!

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

[great northern]

All eyes on the B17 as it begins the short journey to March.

 

A view across the tracks for a change, and a shortie BSK to admire too.

[great northern]

Another short gap between passenger trains on the Up, so another 9F gets the road on its way to Ferme Park.

I do like this view at the moment, particularly because the lattices are really easy to do.

 

The classic view again, but overlapping lattices do make things rather more tricky and time consuming.

[Oldddudders]

I take it the "shortie BSK" comes from an era in which passengers' luggage was more significant and extra space was needed. The Southern had sought to cater for such on its West of England services in the '20s with 10 3-sets having two 4-compartment brakes. By the '50s they were all on Somerset & Dorset local services - premium trains now needed seats not space. 

[great northern]

27 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

I take it the "shortie BSK" comes from an era in which passengers' luggage was more significant and extra space was needed. The Southern had sought to cater for such on its West of England services in the '20s with 10 3-sets having two 4-compartment brakes. By the '50s they were all on Somerset & Dorset local services - premium trains now needed seats not space. 

The short Gresleys were originally built for the GE section, the problem being mainly at Liverpool Street and with the length of its platforms, which meant that with the number of through carriages on most principal trains a shorter vehicle thatn the 61ft 6ins standard was required otherwise trains would have been too long for the platforms. By the 50s though they had spread out and appeared all over the place.

[BMacdermott]

Hello Gilbert

 

I would love to see the 'shortie' stock made!

 

I have attached a clip from The Guide to The 00 Wishlist Poll for information.

 

Brian

 

 

LNER Gresley GE Section Stock 52ft 6in (Diags.9, 141, 146, 216, 1926-1936)

In essence, a shorter version of the standard 61ft 6in stock (Hornby), generally with one fewer compartment or bay. This stock comprised:

·      Corridor Composite to Diag.9, introduced in 1926 (with the same underframe as used on the Diag.190 Corridor Composite in the steel panel 5-sets above); 

·      Corridor Third to Diag.141, introduced in 1929;

·      Corridor Brake to Third Diag.146, introduced in 1932;

·      Tourist Open Third to Diag.216, introduced in 1936

The shorter length was necessary due to a combination of factors but the principal reason goes back to the introduction of the ‘Jazz’ services. The whole of the GE London Suburban Area track layouts were systematically rationalised and re-signalled. As part of the re-signalling the locking and fouling bars were all set to be activated by coaches no longer than the then Great Eastern Railway standard of 54ft. To have a longer gap between inside bogie wheels could give false indications by not detecting the presence of a train.

The Continental Boat Trains used platforms 9 & 10 which were both longer and also arrivals and departures could be specially controlled by the signal boxes. Outside the London Area the signalling did not present the same constraints so standard length stock was acceptable if not working into Liverpool Street.

In later years, the stock appeared on cross-country workings (e.g. Exmouth-Cleethorpes via the S&D and York-Bournemouth via Oxford) and on ex-GCR lines. Diag.216 No.E60544E was photographed at Paddington in 1962. One Corridor Brake Third survives on the Great Central Railway, though not yet in public service.

[stewartingram]

Kirk coaches made kits, now available again from Wizard I believe?

[great northern]

43067 now brings in an M&GN service which, uniquely, started at Wisbech.

 

I have a dedicated M&GN set, which lives in its own spur, but I got a bit bored with it appearing every time, so I put a train together from loose stock, which is so easy to do now. The books give the formation as BSK CK SK7 SK7, so that's what I did, and I shall show you the complete, if short, formation. Tonight we see the Gresley BSK behind the tender, the rest will wait till tomorrow.

[great northern]

Here's the rest of the stock behind the Ivatt.

 

A CK was always specified, but I doubt the first class compartments got much use.

 

 

then an all door second. The CWN specifies seven compartment, ie end door stock, but I just can't see why that would be necessary on a railway which ran exceedingly slowly. Most of the images I have found show all door Gresleys anyway.

Finally a MK1 SK. A bit modern for the M&GN one might think, but again the photographic evidence shows that they did appear sometimes.

[great northern]

A starring role for the station pilots this evening. First one is one of those where I just wondered what I would get if I put the camera down somewhere a bit unusual. This is what I saw through the viewfinder, and it looked all right to me.

The N5 was resting, as it seems to do most of the time, but the C12 has been down to Nene sidings to collect the stock for the 5.25 slow to KX, which will be a crew training run for the EE type 4 in the bay.

[great northern]

The C12 has gone off, probably to recover from its exertions, and D209 has backed on.

They did have an impressive bulk, these things. York used a brand new one on the York-Yarmouth through train as far as Lincoln, so we got plenty of chances to look at one. I say one, because it was always the same one, D251. Before that we never quite knew what was going to turn up. B1s of course, but also B16s of all types and the occasional D49. Those were indeed the days.

 

More impressive bulk next, as the W1 brings in its usual return job, the 2.10pm KX-York and Hull.

 

[thegreenhowards]

Could the 7 door Gresley be an ex GE shortie?

 

As for the 40, I love them. But yours could do with the folded over lamp covers on the end which is attached to the coaches.

 

Andy

[great northern]

3 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

Could the 7 door Gresley be an ex GE shortie?

 

As for the 40, I love them. But yours could do with the folded over lamp covers on the end which is attached to the coaches.

 

Andy

Not only could be, but is, and I put it in the formation to give Steve @31a's work a bit more well deserved exposure. However, this happened a whole week ago, and that length of time can be a bit of a memory challenge these days. As to the 40, I, or probably Timara, will see what can be done.

[great northern]

More of the W1 tonight, but you probably won't mind, as it always seems to be popular.

and here it is again, now at rest. It isn't very often that I can get a whole train of this length in shot.

[Keith Turbutt]

12 hours ago, great northern said:

The C12 has gone off, probably to recover from its exertions, and D209 has backed on.

York used a brand new one on the York-Yarmouth through train as far as Lincoln, so we got plenty of chances to look at one. I say one, because it was always the same one, D251. Before that we never quite knew what was going to turn up. B1s of course, but also B16s of all types and the occasional D49. Those were indeed the days.

York EE Type 4s got as far as Colchester on the Colchester - Glasgow service in the mid 60s - a bit late for Peterborough North perhaps. At the time a Scottish regiment was based at Colchester barracks and the service ran mainly for troops coming back from and going on leave. I think the Colchester departure was around 5.15pm as I used to see it when catching my train home after staying  on after hours at school for orchestra practice. I don't know when this started or when it finished. Clive will no doubt know!

[jimwal]

1 hour ago, Keith Turbutt said:

York EE Type 4s got as far as Colchester on the Colchester - Glasgow service in the mid 60s - a bit late for Peterborough North perhaps. At the time a Scottish regiment was based at Colchester barracks and the service ran mainly for troops coming back from and going on leave. I think the Colchester departure was around 5.15pm as I used to see it when catching my train home after staying  on after hours at school for orchestra practice. I don't know when this started or when it finished. Clive will no doubt know!

 

Or, for Colchester enquires; PaulG

[great northern]

Up on the bridge to watch D209 depart.

Then to the other end, where the W1 is also on its way.

[thegreenhowards]

19 hours ago, great northern said:

Not only could be, but is,

Serves me right for reading your words but only glancing at the photo!

[great northern]

14 hours ago, Keith Turbutt said:

York EE Type 4s got as far as Colchester on the Colchester - Glasgow service in the mid 60s - a bit late for Peterborough North perhaps. At the time a Scottish regiment was based at Colchester barracks and the service ran mainly for troops coming back from and going on leave. I think the Colchester departure was around 5.15pm as I used to see it when catching my train home after staying  on after hours at school for orchestra practice. I don't know when this started or when it finished. Clive will no doubt know!

Yes, too late for me. I deliberately chose 1958 for a number of reasons, one of which was that only five Type 4s had arrived on the ECML by that time, so my Colchester-Glasgow still allows me a visiting Gateshead Pacific. York didn't get any till 1959/60, if my memory serves me correctly.