RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2019 Although quite an elegant thing is the castle, it is still rather a weak machine and needs hauling around by the most elegant of Pacifics to grace the rails..... Bye...... 1 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2019 Exceptional haulage capacity as you can see.... OK I have nearly gone already...... 1 1 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 17, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Although quite an elegant thing is the castle, it is still rather a weak machine and needs hauling around by the most elegant of Pacifics to grace the rails..... Bye...... That's because it isn't the superior type of Castle. That wouldn't be necessary if it was Brancepeth or Kimbolton. Or Naworth, for that matter. 1 2 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 17, 2019 I’m confused because I thought Knight of the Thistle was actually a Star chaps.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, gwrrob said: I’m confused because I thought Knight of the Thistle was actually a Star chaps.... Rob, don't take any notice of that d##k that has posted rude pictures of engines from the dark side. He is/was only trying to cause a fight. D. Cummings. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted November 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said: Although quite an elegant thing is the castle, it is still rather a weak machine and needs hauling around by the most elegant of Pacifics to grace the rails..... Bye...... Which in turn need dragging around by another locomotive. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 17, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2019 No controversial postings from me. An A3 speaks for itself. Yet another Grantham engine, Enterprise has the 6.35 Hull. We also have a plonk featuring catering cars. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: Although quite an elegant thing is the castle, it is still rather a weak machine and needs hauling around by the most elegant of Pacifics to grace the rails..... Bye...... Dear me. Look at the different shades of green on those locos. Most unprototypical. Anyone'd think Hornby had painted them... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2019 11 hours ago, great northern said: No controversial postings from me. An A3 speaks for itself. Yet another Grantham engine, Enterprise has the 6.35 Hull. We also have a plonk featuring catering cars. One day, Gilbert, in the not-too-distant future, I'll pop over, and we'll comb PM and find all those missing front footsteps, vacuum standpipes and front couplings and I'll stick them all back in place. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: Although quite an elegant thing is the castle, it is still rather a weak machine and needs hauling around by the most elegant of Pacifics to grace the rails..... Bye...... There are, of course, those who might suggest that the sure footed one at the back is giving the front one a push before it slips itself to a standstill. For my part, I simply say that it’s a wonderful picture of the epitome of elegance , reminding us how motive power looked in the days before the world went mad . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 18, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2019 Another look at Enterprise this bright fine morning. after which we shall examine the rather eclectic mix of stock following on behind. The catering cars were in use as far as Doncaster, where they were detached and forwarded to Leeds for an Up working the next day. The rear BG also went to Leeds, and the BZ at the front came off at Doncaster too. Passengers going on to Hull must have surveyed Doncaster station for a few minutes, and possibly been given a bit of a buffeting while all this was going on. 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 15 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: Although quite an elegant thing is the castle, it is still rather a weak machine and needs hauling around by the most elegant of Pacifics to grace the rails..... Bye...... I would suggest that, in line with Western practice, the Bulleid thing is the train engine and that the Castle coupled inside is the 'pilot' because the inferior engine cannot manage it's train even on the flat section at Dawlish Warren.... Running for cover... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Given the long memory of what Mr. Bulleid must have felt like when he saw the cables outperform his beloved A3s in the engine exchanges, I suspect he'd see this sa metic justice. But then I also heard that the difference turned out to be down to a combination of Welsh Coal and Swindon's ability to align loco chassis rather well. When you look at how precise manufacturing has changed the way cars are made and how much longer they run with minimal faults it does make you wonder what could be achieved today with CAD, robotic manufacturing and the kind of precision tolerances HNG and others could only dream of? 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, bigwordsmith said: Given the long memory of what Mr. Bulleid must have felt like when he saw the cables outperform his beloved A3s in the engine exchanges, I suspect he'd see this sa metic justice. But then I also heard that the difference turned out to be down to a combination of Welsh Coal and Swindon's ability to align loco chassis rather well. When you look at how precise manufacturing has changed the way cars are made and how much longer they run with minimal faults it does make you wonder what could be achieved today with CAD, robotic manufacturing and the kind of precision tolerances HNG and others could only dream of? I've often thought about the good work done by artisans in the workshops using relatively basic measuring equipment, tools and machines in badly lit workshops. Not all of those people would have had good eyesight and this before the days of National Health eyecare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Quote Given the long memory of what Mr. Bulleid must have felt like when he saw the cables outperform his beloved A3s in the engine exchanges, I suspect he'd see this sa metic justice. But then I also heard that the difference turned out to be down to a combination of Welsh Coal and Swindon's ability to align loco chassis rather well. They'd be A1s when they were tried against the Castles and the later excellence of the A3s illustrates the potential which existed in the design and how well the lessons were learned. I've read - from a Doncaster alumnus but I forget which - that the story of the effect of optical alignment is also exaggerated, as they took one of the locos so reconstructed out into the yard, parked it on a curve and found with a piece of string that the frames had deflected a couple of inches end to end. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, TrevorP1 said: I would suggest that, in line with Western practice, the Bulleid thing is the train engine and that the Castle coupled inside is the 'pilot' because the inferior engine cannot manage it's train even on the flat section at Dawlish Warren.... Running for cover... Not up the banks it were not buddy, between Plymuff and Newton Hallibut, so you can come out now. Let's leave that silly nonsense there shall we as I only wanted to make Gilbert think about something other than rain. A3s are/were magnificent and absolutely perfect for the work they did, as were the Castles and even the SR Pacifics, which were, as you may remember, along with a coupe of Brits, the last Pacifics on long distance fast passenger work (and even then I'd not class the Brits in the north as racing machines as the Mod Spams were on the Bournemouth/Weymouth, however I accept they were really only about 6 to 8 years 'old'). Ar$£ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 18, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 History shows that we all learn from someone else. It's a fool who doesn't incorporate something from someone else's design which improves his/her own, whatever tribal loyalties there may be. There's an awful lot now that we can do that those who came before us couldn't, but I just wonder whether the construction of wonders of the ancient world with the very basic resources and tools available at the time should rank as highly as what we do now, which is still mostly based on principles that they worked out! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 18, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Mallard60022 said: Not up the banks it were not buddy, between Plymuff and Newton Hallibut, so you can come out now. Let's leave that silly nonsense there shall we as I only wanted to make Gilbert think about something other than rain. A3s are/were magnificent and absolutely perfect for the work they did, as were the Castles and even the SR Pacifics, which were, as you may remember, along with a coupe of Brits, the last Pacifics on long distance fast passenger work (and even then I'd not class the Brits in the north as racing machines as the Mod Spams were on the Bournemouth/Weymouth, however I accept they were really only about 6 to 8 years 'old'). Ar$£ I think we were nearly saying the same thing at the same time there Phil. Anyway, it is sunny here today, my smart meter is not in demented mode, and I am running and photographing trains. This is lunch break, by the way. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, great northern said: Another look at Enterprise this bright fine morning. after which we shall examine the rather eclectic mix of stock following on behind. ... Each time I see your BZ it strikes me as a rather lovely thing. I'm still amazed no RTR manufacturer has produced one. Paul Edited November 18, 2019 by Fenman 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 18, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 45 minutes ago, Fenman said: Each time I see your BZ it strikes me as a rather lovely thing. I'm still amazed no RTR manufacturer has produced one. Paul I agree Paul. It does look very nice. That didn't stop dear Mike Radford from getting a phone call telling him that it didn't look anything like a BZ, and that his kit is cr*p. From an authority on coaching stock, of course. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 There's a recently released kit here as well. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, great northern said: History shows that we all learn from someone else. It's a fool who doesn't incorporate something from someone else's design which improves his/her own, whatever tribal loyalties there may be. There's an awful lot now that we can do that those who came before us couldn't, but I just wonder whether the construction of wonders of the ancient world with the very basic resources and tools available at the time should rank as highly as what we do now, which is still mostly based on principles that they worked out! Even more so in Railway terms when you consider that George Stephenson had to teach himself to read and write and yet with the Rocket he laid down basic principles that could be seen right to the end of steam. Brunel with no one to show him how to do it, built the London and Bristol Railway to civil engineering standards that have barely been surpassed more than 170 years later. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, jazzer said: Even more so in Railway terms when you consider that George Stephenson had to teach himself to read and write and yet with the Rocket he laid down basic principles that could be seen right to the end of steam. Brunel with no one to show him how to do it, built the London and Bristol Railway to civil engineering standards that have barely been surpassed more than 170 years later. Not to belittle George, but Rocket was the work of his son, Robert. George played no part in the design. He was a bit busy, building the L&M. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, Denbridge said: Not to belittle George, but Rocket was the work of his son, Robert. George played no part in the design. He was a bit busy, building the L&M. Yes a point we’ll made. Since you mention the L&M lets say then filling in Chat Moss to build the line across it , which I think is still in operation today. The point is those old railways pioneers worked so many things out themselves that still hold good today 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, jazzer said: Yes a point we’ll made. Since you mention the L&M lets say then filling in Chat Moss to build the line across it , which I think is still in operation today. The point is those old railways pioneers worked so many things out themselves that still hold good today Not so much filling-in Chat Moss - surely it's still there? What George did was, to all intents and purposes, to 'float' the railway across Chat Moss. OK, it slowly sank to the bottom as more fill was piled on top of the floating base, but the genius was in conceiving the floating foundations. (Though I've a feeling that the Romans did something similar). Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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