RMweb Premium great northern Posted August 4, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, trw1089 said: Rumour has it some new (old) motive power might be heading your way in the near future good sir... Hope it will earn its keep when it arrives. The Shedmaster at Arnthorpe said it should be released to New England in a few days, but apparently it is a rather long journey... Cheers Tony Lovely Tony, and a very generous offer on your part. It will be in service as soon as it arrives, I can assure you. I can see a few more trip workings being added to the sequence, plus the odd trip up and down Stoke bank on Grantham locals. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted August 4, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2019 Rather shabby this, for a KX engine. The DE sentinel then creeps into shot on another of our looks at that area. A bit of bedding in to be done there. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted August 4, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2019 Decision made, and new sequence under way, so yet more images in store. That allows at least one more to be used, and so here are the down bays, both unoccupied for once. There were no buffer stops, in case anyone is wondering where they are. 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold trw1089 Posted August 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 4, 2019 Really liking all those corner shots Gilbert, it shows that to make a good representation of a place means thinking about all the small things that tell the story of where it is. cheers Tony 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted August 4, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2019 Now we come to something I have been eagerly awaiting for quite a while. Thanks to Andy(The Green Howards), and an 'orrible 'Ornby thing off E-bay, I can, for the first time in PN's nine years of existence, run a sleeping car train. This is the 7.30 FO KX-Aberdeen, with 60059 in charge. Unfortunately though, it is not on the Powerpoint sequence yet, and so is running well over 90 minutes late. Still, better late than never, and we shall have a full formation analysis, with very little cheating owing to coupling incompatibility. As the sharp eyed among you, of whom there are plenty, will surely have noticed, we do have a derailed bogie. This was caused by my idle habit of pushing the train along by hand to save walking to and fro to get to the controller, and is not the reason for the late running. 27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) A slight misalignment of sleepers, but have ever thought about the value of fog or mist? edit; picture removed as not about PN Edited August 5, 2019 by robmcg Inappropriate content 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted August 5, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2019 11 hours ago, robmcg said: A slight misalignment of sleepers, but have ever thought about the value of fog or mist? These were a major part of railway-running and can and would hide the most awful inaccuracies... cheers, I enjoy your thread immensely. Here is recent Hornby 4472 in 1924 GN style, short travel valves, avant garde smoke, making up time after fog delays, a very 'O S Nock' scenario.. very ECML though, so I thought I'd show off a day's fiddling with photo editing PSP6 style. It isn't modelling per se... will remove it offends I would rather that the thread concentrates on PN please. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted August 5, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2019 This morning we have Tracery again, now a bit further North. That is followed by a final look, for now, along the Engineer's little kingdom. It's time some more clutter was added around here. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted August 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2019 11 hours ago, great northern said: Now we come to something I have been eagerly awaiting for quite a while. Thanks to Andy(The Green Howards), and an 'orrible 'Ornby thing off E-bay, I can, for the first time in PN's nine years of existence, run a sleeping car train. This is the 7.30 FO KX-Aberdeen, with 60059 in charge. Gilbert, I've been eagerly looking forward to seeing the sleepers in action. I won't pass judgement on my efforts, but the train as a whole looks great - a welcome addition to the PN repertoire. I don't mind the Hornby sleeper although yours looks like a bit of a cross breed as it has angle iron rather than truss rods whereas the Hornby original correctly had truss rods - what's the provenance of the chassis? Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted August 5, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2019 56 minutes ago, thegreenhowards said: Gilbert, I've been eagerly looking forward to seeing the sleepers in action. I won't pass judgement on my efforts, but the train as a whole looks great - a welcome addition to the PN repertoire. I don't mind the Hornby sleeper although yours looks like a bit of a cross breed as it has angle iron rather than truss rods whereas the Hornby original correctly had truss rods - what's the provenance of the chassis? Andy Oh dear! Another example of my inability to see what I'm looking at. I got it off E-Bay Andy. I hadn't seen any on there for a while, and the price was reasonable, so I grabbed it. Now I'm off to see if I have a spare truss rod chassis anywhere. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted August 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, great northern said: Oh dear! Another example of my inability to see what I'm looking at. I got it off E-Bay Andy. I hadn't seen any on there for a while, and the price was reasonable, so I grabbed it. Now I'm off to see if I have a spare truss rod chassis anywhere. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings! It’s strange because it seems to have the separate battery boxes which, I think, only feature on the sleeper. It’s possible that some were rebuilt with angle iron so I’d wait to see if any of the experts on here provide a justification before you do anything hasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, thegreenhowards said: Gilbert, I've been eagerly looking forward to seeing the sleepers in action. I won't pass judgement on my efforts, but the train as a whole looks great - a welcome addition to the PN repertoire. I don't mind the Hornby sleeper although yours looks like a bit of a cross breed as it has angle iron rather than truss rods whereas the Hornby original correctly had truss rods - what's the provenance of the chassis? Andy Hi Andy and Gibert The underframe is the Hornby Railroad GWR one that is found under their "short" LNER coaches and their LMS "Stanier" carriages. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted August 5, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Hi Andy and Gibert The underframe is the Hornby Railroad GWR one that is found under their "short" LNER coaches and their LMS "Stanier" carriages. GWR! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, great northern said: GWR! Have you checked the coach for length, it might be a really well painted Railroad Gresley. The Railroad Gresley's look like Gresley coaches when well painted, and have their underframes sorted, it is just a big pity they were made to fit a standard chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, great northern said: GWR! Could have been worse; could have been LSWR. Ar$£ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted August 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 5, 2019 They do, of course, as stated, date back to the late seventies, and were acceptable for their time. I bought quite a number and converted some into other diagrams. But, of course, what we really need, in the 21st century, are Gresley’s to modern standards. Sadly I can’t see that happening for many years to come. I hope I’m proved wrong. In the meantime, if the underframe is modified to that of an angle iron example, or turnbuckle trusses, whichever you are requiring, then it should do as a temporary measure. Best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted August 5, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2019 Golf this evening. Club foursomes semi final. Remarkable game of changing fortunes, but on the 18th hole our opponents had a downhill 18ft left to right putt to stop us winning. Nobody holes that, but they did. Extra holes then, with the sun sinking. 19th, we've given up, they have five feet for the match. They miss. 20th, my partner has 6ft, he misses. 21st I'm left with 15ft to keep the match alive, straight in the middle. 22nd halved in near darkness, so now we have to come back and carry on. Extraordinary. I am now totally knackered. At PN, all is relatively calm, but the silence is broken by the sound of another WD, Ferme Park bound. Our still life is a look at what used to be, and I suppose still might be, the Stationmaster's house. 24 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted August 6, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2019 Visitors today, so I must get on. A closer look at that WD. Then we concentrate on a rather spectacular window. blame the sun for that telegraph pole. 26 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Wright Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2019 20 hours ago, thegreenhowards said: Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings! It’s strange because it seems to have the separate battery boxes which, I think, only feature on the sleeper. It’s possible that some were rebuilt with angle iron so I’d wait to see if any of the experts on here provide a justification before you do anything hasty. As Clive has surmised, Andy, That Sleeper appears to be an original Hornby one - too short, and based on a generic GWR/LMS (even SR) 57' underframe. That same underframe went underneath Hornby's LMS, LNER, GWR and SR carriages of the period. Was it correct for any? Years ago, when these carriages first appeared (which, incidentally, have a better end-on profile than Hornby's correct-length ones, though the buffers are oval), I made new bogies for them, repainted them, altered the underframes and ran them on Fordley Park and my first Stoke Summit. Spectators thought they were OK, if still too short. The modified Sleeper used to stand in a siding on Fordley Park throughout every day of every show. I think it even appeared in a Brian Monaghan picture in Model Railways in the early-'80s. Though I doubt if any 'serious' railway modeller runs them now, the likes of Graeme King has used these original Hornby Gresleys to produce some remarkable 'cut-and-shut' cars, some articulated. Regards, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenB Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I think Clive Mortimore has done the same or, at least, is in the process of doing so. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, StephenB said: I think Clive Mortimore has done the same or, at least, is in the process of doing so. Stephen Hi Stephen I am in the process, I will post some updated photos on here later in the week. Tony did photograph my articulated twin Third Brake + Composite Lavatory I am building made form components from the Hornby shorties, on Little Bytham on one of my visits. The odd thing about these coaches is the compartments are the correct size, the toilets have been reduced in size to make the coaches sorter and the corridor side windows are not standard sizes, but quite a few are the right length for Gresley open coaches, they just need sliding ventilators adding. It was a great pity they chose to use a standard underframe not a right length one because to me, with my limited knowledge, they look like LNER coaches. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony Wright said: As Clive has surmised, Andy, That Sleeper appears to be an original Hornby one - too short, and based on a generic GWR/LMS (even SR) 57' underframe. That same underframe went underneath Hornby's LMS, LNER, GWR and SR carriages of the period. Was it correct for any? Years ago, when these carriages first appeared (which, incidentally, have a better end-on profile than Hornby's correct-length ones, though the buffers are oval), I made new bogies for them, repainted them, altered the underframes and ran them on Fordley Park and my first Stoke Summit. Spectators thought they were OK, if still too short. The modified Sleeper used to stand in a siding on Fordley Park throughout every day of every show. I think it even appeared in a Brian Monaghan picture in Model Railways in the early-'80s. Though I doubt if any 'serious' railway modeller runs them now, the likes of Graeme King has used these original Hornby Gresleys to produce some remarkable 'cut-and-shut' cars, some articulated. Regards, Tony. Hello Tony The GWR cut and shut gang seem happy with the undeframe for some of their rebuilds. It is a really inspirational thread despite the content not really being of interest to my own personal modelling. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted August 6, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2019 Simple conclusion then is that I fouled up there, good and proper. That should, but probably won't, get me to examine things more closely in future. I can't find the precise product description on E Bay now, but I'm sure it gave a recent R number. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarrMan Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 On 31/07/2019 at 11:50, jazzer said: I think the backscene fulfils it’s purpose really well. The question is what really do you want it to do? I would say it’s to be there not to be noticed. In other words it’s to unobtrusively fill an empty space that would otherwise stand out like a sore thumb, but without particularly standing out itself. In the pictures posted above I honestly didn’t notice the backscene until you mentioned it but I am pretty sure I would have noticed the space it covers if it wasn’t there. By all means work to improve but don’t let it detract from the main scenes ( the locos). It looks good to me. Did anyone actually ever travel on that Colchester- Glasgow ? It had taken over fours for “Framilingham” to get as far as Peterborough, and would take another 7hours+ to get to Edinburgh, and taking the best part of 13 hours for the whole journey with no sleeping accommodation and no buffet car ! I remember one summer, probably about 1962 or 1963, A group of us getting on at Peterborough North to go to a Boys Brigade camp in Largs. Took the train as far as Glasgow (probably Queen Street), then coach to Largs. It was supposed to wait about 10 minutes at Peterborough East, then just 2 minutes for station work at North. They probably expected us ruffians to take a while to board, so did not wait at east that night! Apologies for late reply - just been away for a work week - certainly no holiday. Lloyd 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2019 9 hours ago, great northern said: Simple conclusion then is that I fouled up there, good and proper. That should, but probably won't, get me to examine things more closely in future. I can't find the precise product description on E Bay now, but I'm sure it gave a recent R number. Strangely the thing looks very 'new'. Possibly sat in someone's cupboard for years or lost in the back of a shop until it was rediscovered. It could be dealt with somehow to create some sort of Engineers' vehicle. By the way G, loved the idea of that photoscene at the south end; you will be able to sort out something really grand for that. P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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