bgman Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 From the "gob on it" bridge please. Phil Ooh! How rude ! Speaking of which..... Any footy supporters here ? http://streaming.britishpathe.com/hls-vod/flash/00000000/00084000/00084975.mp4.m3u8 Yours M.Busby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Ooh! How rude ! Speaking of which..... Any footy supporters here ? http://streaming.britishpathe.com/hls-vod/flash/00000000/00084000/00084975.mp4.m3u8 Yours M.Busby Hi Yes, but not that football team, nice video all the same, thanks for sharing it. Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted November 13, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2016 I'd be surprised if they were booked to travel on a freight - more likely booked to walk (that far!? - but only 40 minutes walking time) or catch a 'bus from Finsbury Park to Dalston (the 'hitch a lift' implied to me that it wasn't the way they were booked to travel). That makes good sense Mike. Find a way to avoid a 40 minute walk, especially if the weather is cr*p. My knowledge of north London is pretty poor so I've just Googled this. A 2.5 mile walk, Google reckons 50 mins from the Top Shed area to Dalston. An engineman would be carrying a bag with his 'traps' and wearing heavyish boots. If you rode your bike you would somehow have to carry it on engine, probably on the tender. No point in leaving it at Dalston because the turn finished at Kings Cross (or did it?). As Johnny Nash sang, "There are more questions than answers. And the more I find out the less I know". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 13, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2016 A train has just arrived in Road 1. It is formed BCK TSO TSO TSO BSK. There are several services that have this three TSO core, so it was worth having a dedicated cassette to store them. Here is the sequence of "putting the train to bed". First the leading BCK is detached. Then there is a picture of a gap. Why? Because that is where the BCK is going. These spurs run into the outside corner of the South end of the fiddle yard. They began life as storage for local passenger rakes, but when they went into cassettes they became loco spurs. Now they store loose stock, this being the BCK road. So, where do the TSOs go? Which is part of the carriage and wagon "sidings". and next to that is Top Shed, as you have never seen it portrayed before. Back now to the fiddle yard, where we see the TSOs going into their cassette. and that leaves us with a BSK. Several of those live in these spurs. Three compartment BSKs immediately to the left of the Cobalts, and four compartment ones next to those. And so this BSK Lives here. That's all for now, folks. 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2016 My knowledge of north London is pretty poor so I've just Googled this. A 2.5 mile walk, Google reckons 50 mins from the Top Shed area to Dalston. An engineman would be carrying a bag with his 'traps' and wearing heavyish boots. If you rode your bike you would somehow have to carry it on engine, probably on the tender. No point in leaving it at Dalston because the turn finished at Kings Cross (or did it?). As Johnny Nash sang, "There are more questions than answers. And the more I find out the less I know". Google maps quote 2 miles on foot from Finsbury Park to Dalston (the present station) so at the standard Walking Time Allowance of 20 minutes to the mile that comes to 40 minutes allowed to walk it - so far from unusual really (and we were still using 20 minutes to the mile in the 1970s/'80s where there wasn't an agreed Walking Time). However when I took over SR freight diagramming in 1993 I found some cases where men at a certain depot which had best remain nameless were allowed 25 minutes for a few hundred yards although it had been done as a way of fiddling make-up time in the 8 week rosters - the depot got most upset when I told my folk to do the job properly (mainly because it meant more work for them when putting links together). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chimer Posted November 13, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2016 Ooooh - you mean that blood and custard BSK might appear on appear on another train before it could possibly have got back from Newcastle or wherever? Or maybe even be seen twice going in the same direction? Tsk, tsk ...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted November 13, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2016 'Someone' does rather like the less glamorous locomotives, to be sure. The unsung heroes.....and I have an 0-6-2T fixation! I always find that wheel arrangement to be a pleasing loco, although someone will now no doubt post an ugly one, but I just like them. So yes please Gilbert, the pilots, the scruffy freight locos, the things that got lost on the M&GN, the odd ducks. NO, no not OUR duck..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 13, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2016 Ooooh - you mean that blood and custard BSK might appear on appear on another train before it could possibly have got back from Newcastle or wherever? Or maybe even be seen twice going in the same direction? Tsk, tsk ...... Alright Guv, it's a fair cop. You got me bang to rights. However, I cannot remember ever consciously looking at a carriage number, let alone writing it down, so for me at least they have more chance of passing by unremarked. I have to admit though that I am beginning to find it a bit irksome to be constantly using the same few vehicles, until that is I think of the cost of having at least two per train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted November 13, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2016 And now, an appeal. No, not for your money, though if you want to send some that's OK , but for some suggestions about your preferences as to where I should take photos from. South end? North end? Helicopter shots? Whatever takes your fancy. I'm getting a bit jaded frankly, as I feel I've exhausted most of the possibilities. I'm probably not much help but... anything with an A3, the station forecourt, 'Wolf of Badenoch' (what a name for an engine!) . I also enjoy the black and white images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 13, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2016 I have just discovered that I skipped a whole session of images, so things will now be a bit out of order. First up is the train containing that TSO core entering the fiddle yard and heading for road 1. Road 3 is the dedicated road for my rake of loaded coal wagons. They are ready to run, Class F this time. A reasonably good view of road 1 here, plus the protective fascia, which prevents anything plunging to the floor, but makes railing up a nightmare. and the 02 is now on its way. For those who prefer the "real" side of the layout, here's a nice broadside shot of 63940. and that is a very nice way to end the day. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 G'day Gents. Nice to see a O2, with a real cab. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2016 No - they were supposed to walk or ride their push bike (some had motorcycles of course and some could afford cars (depending on the availability of overtime and Sunday turns). Don't forget that many, especially outside the London area, lived near to their place of work although some, especially the likes of Relief Signalmen, had a need for transport and tended to be among the first to go in for motorised transport. And if it saved a bike ride or walk and there happened to be a train going your way ... And equally in many jobs we were required to live within a certain distance or journey time of our place of work - that even applied to me when I went into my final 'big railway' post in 1994 but I did have an 'On Call' commitment so that made a difference of course. In the late 1970s it was still common for staff (not just footplate staff) to travel between Glasgow Queen Street and Eastfield Depot in the rear cab of a light loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2016 That makes good sense Mike. Find a way to avoid a 40 minute walk, especially if the weather is cr*p. And even more so if the walk took you through the back streets of Springburn... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 02 in FY (1280x960).jpg A reasonably good view of road 1 here, plus the protective fascia, which prevents anything plunging to the floor, but makes railing up a nightmare. Get yourself one of these - it even makes railing up a Bachmann Peak a 5 second job !! http://www.hattons.co.uk/18155/Peco_Products_SL_37_OO_HO_Re_railer/StockDetail.aspx Nice photos, and a superb article in the Hornby mag this month. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 14, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2016 G'day Gents. Nice to see a O2, with a real cab. manna I thought you would like that. More graceful, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 14, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2016 Get yourself one of these - it even makes railing up a Bachmann Peak a 5 second job !! http://www.hattons.co.uk/18155/Peco_Products_SL_37_OO_HO_Re_railer/StockDetail.aspx Nice photos, and a superb article in the Hornby mag this month. Brit I have the Hornby version, but for some reason I don't get on very well with that even, Is the Peco one better, can anyone say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 14, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'm still finding the odd image I've overlooked. This one was taken during my infrastructure period. and later I aimed the camera at yet another Ivatt. but at least there is an A4 and a C12 to look at as well. Time for some more leaf raking, after which there may be a feature on the making up of a rather interesting train. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I have the Hornby version, but for some reason I don't get on very well with that even, Is the Peco one better, can anyone say? I can't compare the two, never having used the Hornby one, but I do use the Peco one for railing On30 stock (16.5mm track). it makes railing the cars a doddle and most locos are OK on it, although a few get upset when the loco is on the track and the tender is still at an angle. A friend of mine claims that the US narrow gauge stock doesn't have any wheels - after trying to rail a few passenger cars without a railer I was inclined to agree with him. HTH Chaz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2016 I have the Hornby version, but for some reason I don't get on very well with that even, Is the Peco one better, can anyone say? Don't know but I could bring one for trial. It pleads not guilty at the moment. Philth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Great stuff, love the article in the Hornby Magazine. This is useful information and it shows how good this layout is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted November 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2016 I have the Hornby version, but for some reason I don't get on very well with that even, Is the Peco one better, can anyone say? Hornby one has a small 'lip' beneath the 'business end' (where vehicles run off) which needs to fit down between the sleepers in order for the device to be low enough to direct the flanges between the rails, so I find it doesn't work very well on ballasted track. If the Peco one doesn't have this it might be easier to use (or I could just cut the lip off!). Also only really works on a piece of straight track as long as the device itself, which can be difficult to find, but I suppose that would also apply to the Peco one. How do I know? The only way I can get Class 40s, and Bachmann Pacifics, on the rails! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 14, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2016 And so yesterday morning off I went to run some trains, and found that the next one was 73 Up, the 9.47 Newcastle- KX. Ah, I thought, an "interesting train". Before I could run it though, I had to decide what day of the week it was. Tricky that, as there are several to choose from. Now generally I do know what day of the week it is, but that doesn't usually correspond with PN time. OK, joking apart here are the choices. Mondays formation. BSK(4) SK*SK* FK* RF SO BSK(4) CK 3-3 3SK(7) BSK(4) Tuesday BSK(4)* 3SK* FK(6) FO RK BSK(4) FK* 2SK* BSK* Wednesday/Friday BSK* 2SK* FK* FO RK BSK(4) CK 3-3 2SK(7) BSK(4) Thursday BSK(4) 2SK(7) FK(6) TRIPLET RC CK 3-3 3SK(7) BSK(4) I've shown how trains are put together from cassettes, but some can't be done that way, and this is one of them. It has to be assembled from loose stock, so as there seems to be considerable interest in this sort of thing, I photographed the process. First though, I had to decide what day of the week it is, which wasn't difficult, as my loose catering at the moment is limited to RF/SO. So, Monday it was, even though it is nearly always Friday at PN, and it was actually Sunday. Clear so far? Right, off we go. We start here, second spur in at the South end, which permanently houses three Thompsons - BSK and two SK(7). Head on view shows stock in spur 1, then the Thompsons, and some more in spur 5, of which more later. Now we need another SK(7) ie end door stock. In comes a loose coach from a drawer. I haven't photographed the drawer, as I'm sure you know what they look like. Then we need a Thompson composite, and there is one in spur one. These loose coaches are generally crane shunted into position, but I photographed them on a siding just so as to show the full train. This is the Newcastle portion, and so next comes another BSK(4) as the rest of the train started at Tyne Commission Quay. this then is a boat train service. After their trip across the North sea, these lucky passengers get full catering, though whether they'd be interested after a rough crossing is debatable. Thus the RC and SO from spur 5 are hand propelled into position. Then we have more modern accomodation for the posh passengers. and then something less plush for the rest. Finally, at the front of the train, another BSK(4), this one Gresley, again from the dedicated spur I've previously shown. All 12 coaches are now assembled, and await the locomotive, but I think I'll leave it here for now. It might be a good time though to say how long all this fiddling about takes. I timed the removal of the stock and return to original positions, which took just over two minutes. Too long for an exhibition layout, but fine for me. If all this lot isn't totally clear, please don't hesitate to ask for clarification. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chimer Posted November 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2016 That perfectly illustrates a point I made in a post on "Wright Writes" in a roundy-roundy v FY-FY debate a couple of days ago - having put that together that little lot, I'd want to sit and watch it circulate a few times, not run it through PN once and take it apart again when it gets back to the FY. Do you succumb to that ever? Or will the next one round definitely have to be 74 Up? Just curious ... Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 14, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2016 That perfectly illustrates a point I made in a post on "Wright Writes" in a roundy-roundy v FY-FY debate a couple of days ago - having put that together that little lot, I'd want to sit and watch it circulate a few times, not run it through PN once and take it apart again when it gets back to the FY. Do you succumb to that ever? Or will the next one round definitely have to be 74 Up? Just curious ... Chris Actually, I surprise myself by being very disciplined and almost never let things go round and round. When I do, it is usually a coal train that is allowed to creep slowly round a few times. It is the same with the speed limit too. I thought I might be tempted to run expresses at speed, but I'm not. I tend to rush through life, but it doesn't apply to the railway, which takes as long as it takes. There is an element of challenge involved too. I can now achieve the correct formation for more trains than before, so I want to keep extending it. I admit though that if I can't be bothered, as happens some days, I'll just run the generic Newcastle or West Riding set instead. There seems to be no logic to reporting numbers at all. The next on the Up is 33, followed by 157. Something to do with point of origin, perhaps? Can our former railwaymen enlighten me on this? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 14, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2016 Tonight you are entitled to a proper picture, so here one is. 73 Up now has its Grantham A3 at the head, and is on its way through at the obligatory 20 mph. I have belatedly realised that at this time of year pictures down this end should be taken as early as possible, as the sun, if it appears, will illuminate the otherwise dark area hich creates such photoshopping problems. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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