Bill Radford Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 It's all good advertising... Every time CH & JV are mentioned so is a certain liquid. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted March 7 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7 15 minutes ago, Bill Radford said: It's all good advertising... Every time CH & JV are mentioned so is a certain liquid. Farm slurry? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) Christian Horner's accuser 'suspended' after Red Bull's investigation into Formula One boss https://news.sky.com/story/christian-horners-accuser-suspended-after-red-bulls-investigation-into-formula-one-boss-13089164 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68501426 Edited March 7 by Andrew P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 Both parties should have been removed from post whilst the investigation was/is ongoing. It removes them from the environment and prevents them coercing colleagues. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted March 7 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7 (edited) I'd like to think that Red Bull's HR team and legal advisers have had some involvement with this decision. From my HR notes; When an employee does something which potentially constitutes misconduct, the common reaction is to suspend employees on full pay, pending any investigation and possible disciplinary hearing. However, a recent case (2017) calls this approach into question; Typically, employee suspension has been widely regarded as a ‘neutral act’, meaning it causes no detriment to the employee. The perception is that the employee’s absence allows any investigation to be conducted fairly. However, in the recent case of Agoreyo v. London Borough of Lambeth 2017, doubt has been cast on this. The High Court stated that, contrary to popular belief, employee suspension is not a ‘neutral act’, particularly when it concerns qualified professionals as it automatically brings into question their competence. The Court went on to stated that the suspension had been the employer’s “default position” and that it had been a “knee-jerk reaction” which had been sufficient to breach the implied term relating to trust and confidence. The High Court held that the employer’s decision to suspend Ms Agoreyo amounted to a repudiatory breach of her contract, and that her resignation amounted to a constructive dismissal. In light of this finding, employers need to ensure that any employee suspension is always justified. It should not be a routine response to an act of misconduct that requires investigation. This case highlights the importance of giving due consideration to the question of whether to suspend an employee when allegations of misconduct are raised. If the decision is taken to suspend, employers need to ensure they have acted reasonably and have a clear explanation as to why this course of action has been taken. Edited March 7 by 4630 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68497997 Well he would say that wouldn't he! Where's the brush it under the carpet emoji! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 (edited) On a more positive note my eldest bought himself a signed half size Damon Hill helmet. My favourite driver and even the box has Murray's quote "I've got to stop now as I have a lump in my throat ". He wasn't alone! And he played guitar on a Def Leppard album as well, who happen to be my favourite band. Is it me or was it less political and more about the racing. Edited March 7 by didcot 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted March 7 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 7 5 hours ago, 4630 said: I'd like to think that Red Bull's HR team and legal advisers have had some involvement with this decision. From my HR notes; When an employee does something which potentially constitutes misconduct, the common reaction is to suspend employees on full pay, pending any investigation and possible disciplinary hearing. However, a recent case (2017) calls this approach into question; Typically, employee suspension has been widely regarded as a ‘neutral act’, meaning it causes no detriment to the employee. The perception is that the employee’s absence allows any investigation to be conducted fairly. However, in the recent case of Agoreyo v. London Borough of Lambeth 2017, doubt has been cast on this. The High Court stated that, contrary to popular belief, employee suspension is not a ‘neutral act’, particularly when it concerns qualified professionals as it automatically brings into question their competence. The Court went on to stated that the suspension had been the employer’s “default position” and that it had been a “knee-jerk reaction” which had been sufficient to breach the implied term relating to trust and confidence. The High Court held that the employer’s decision to suspend Ms Agoreyo amounted to a repudiatory breach of her contract, and that her resignation amounted to a constructive dismissal. In light of this finding, employers need to ensure that any employee suspension is always justified. It should not be a routine response to an act of misconduct that requires investigation. This case highlights the importance of giving due consideration to the question of whether to suspend an employee when allegations of misconduct are raised. If the decision is taken to suspend, employers need to ensure they have acted reasonably and have a clear explanation as to why this course of action has been taken. That looks like it is straight out of the pages of 'People Management'. Thankfully I no longer have to read that every month......or pay the swine to retain their letters after my name. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
friscopete Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Sexism is par for the course in motorsport .My daughter was told when she went to a certain circuit when she joined Octogon's press team "Its about time we got a looker ,the last one was a real minger "or words to that effect . 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted March 7 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, didcot said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68497997 Well he would say that wouldn't he! Where's the brush it under the carpet emoji! You can understand his thinking "Why don't they just drink the Koolaid and shut the fuuk up"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 If you make an accusation which is proved to be incorrect or a lie , doesn’t that open you up to sacking on the basis of gross misconduct ? I can’t believe in this day and age , he actually wrote something in a text - screenshots have taken down many people . I never write, like or insinuate anything that can be used as a weapon against me . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 13 hours ago, didcot said: On a more positive note my eldest bought himself a signed half size Damon Hill helmet. My favourite driver and even the box has Murray's quote "I've got to stop now as I have a lump in my throat ". He wasn't alone! And he played guitar on a Def Leppard album as well, who happen to be my favourite band. Is it me or was it less political and more about the racing. Nice story/momento I think there were still plenty of politics then, I just didn't get the air time as social media and the Internet didn't exist/wasn't widely used so the limited air time was invested in racing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davy crockett Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68511360 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Oliver Bearman is set to make his F1 debut stepping in for Carlos Sainz. Carlos has been diagnosed with appendicitis and will require surgery. Get well soon Carlos 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, davy crockett said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68511360 Haha, Posted at the same time as me, source from different sites. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 52 minutes ago, Andrew P said: Oliver Bearman is set to make his F1 debut stepping in for Carlos Sainz. Carlos has been diagnosed with appendicitis and will require surgery. Get well soon Carlos Blimey! Talk about pressure. Good luck to the lad, great to see another brit on the grid. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Christian Horner will be relieved that the journos now have something else to talk about even though he would wish no ill on Sainz.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted March 8 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8 Its worse than policemen and doctors! Racing drivers are looking younger and younger... 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted March 8 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8 (edited) It’s getting to be a bit of a soap opera now. BBC - Helmut Marko at risk of suspension Edited March 8 by 4630 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted March 8 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8 Suspend all of them from at least the next 3 races, with gagging orders on pain of dismissal while things are sorted out. I know, its not going to happen! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just give Ocon a 5 second penalty and that’s it sorted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SR71 Posted March 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8 10 minutes ago, woodenhead said: Just give Ocon a 5 second penalty and that’s it sorted! O you got the phone call from Ben Sulayem! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalerailmodelling Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Depending on how Bearman does there will be even more worried drivers than when Lawson landed! Lawson’s Landing sounds like an On30 micro layout 🤣 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted March 9 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 9 Very much looks like a power struggle between the Austrian and Thai sides of the Red Bull company ownership. The Thai side has the majority holding so will most likely prevail but it may end up being somewhat of a pyrrhic victory if they are left without Verstappen as a driver. Its almost enough to make you feel sorry for them… Cheers Darius 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 Horner should be a politician, dodged every awkward question. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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