RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted December 3, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Cwmtwrch said: so the only vehicle which might be neither fitted nor piped is the brake van, and that seems very unlikely given the weight of the train and the date? 5 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: It's a BR or LNER van so will be fitted or, more likely, piped. There were unfitted and unpiped BR standard and LNER 20tonner brake vans, in grey livery, even in the 70s. The vast majority were in Bauxite fitted livery, albeit 'piped through' rather than fitted, though. There was considered to be no need to fit brake vans with vacuum brakes because there is a sentient (arguably, sometimes) brake operating system aboard, the guard or travelling shunter. These vans were provided with brake 'setters', air inlet valves by which the guard could apply the vacuum brake throughout the train if it was fully fitted. There were a few non-pool vans that were fitted with operating vacuum brakes for various operational reasons, and kept reserved for whatever that wor was. It is most probable that this is a BR standard 20ton brake van, piped only, these were the huge majority. I couldn't swear to the sidelamp (though I often swore at them), and assuming the wagons are all vacuum braked the van would only carry sidelamps if the vacuum brake could not be applied from the van. Otherwise, if vacuum was connected throughout, a single tail lamp is sufficient. I agree with Brian that Llanwern is the likely detinationfor a single 37 with assistance up Stormy (standing start from Margam) but I don't have my load tables any more (!). Double-headed 37s were rare in South Wales in '65, but became common a very short time later with the introduction of the Aberthaw-various locations in northern Somerset Pulverised Fly Ash trains in connection with the M5 construction work, in HAAs which we called 'ash trays' at the time; they were a bit like the Maltese Cross ashtrays we'd all made in metalwork classes, the first of my many soldering failures... They appeared on this part of the SWML when the Gulf Waterston-Albion via the North & West 16x TEA trains started, not 100% sure of exact date but 1969 or 70 I think, and the load is 982tons trailing, 1087 gross, which sounds about right maximum for a single 37 up from Margam. 9 hours ago, br2975 said: Edited December 3, 2023 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 The original photo is very nice, not often seen as loaded wagons. My photos have been mentioned earlier, but ignored! Includes a couple of the internal users at ASW. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilz There is a scale drawing in BR Wagons Bartlett et al Fig 44. A complex measuring job that took 4 of us to do. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted December 9, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 9, 2023 On 02/12/2023 at 12:30, Wickham Green too said: Maybe they're heavy mattresses for heavy sleepers ? Brilliant, one of the best jokes on RMweb. You’ve got my warped mind working overtime. While I do build serious layouts, as an antidote I also build ‘fun’ layouts, so ideas for a mattress or sleeper factory are developing Menwhile back to wagons … 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Yes, the railway has sleepers and it has sleepers ..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted December 9, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2023 And, aboard certain trains, you can be, be in, be on, and be over a sleeper simultaneously. And they say men can't multitask... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 ... in our sleep ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 Thanks Guys, Very informative, amusing and interesting answers to the query! Cheers Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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