drduncan Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) Does anyone know which lots, in addition to osL231 were fitted with fitched underframes (ie wooden underframes with iron cover plates)? Interestingly - and not very helpfully - the Wagon Stock Books I have seen covering the low numbers of osL231 do not say wood and iron underframes, just wood! Are the entries for nos 34001-34100 different? Regards Duncan Edited December 21, 2023 by drduncan Appeasement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Ashdown Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Just a possibility, but have you checked the book on the Saltney works? ( I don't have it myself.) Edited October 21, 2023 by Dana Ashdown 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 18 hours ago, Dana Ashdown said: Just a possibility, but have you checked the book on the Saltney works? ( I don't have it myself.) The lot in question was built at Swindon, if I recall correctly, I’m afraid. Tony’s book is full of useful information on the earlier 1 and 2 plank wagons. D 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted October 22, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2023 A small point - but nonetheless relevant - the correct term is 'flitched', I believe. CJI. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbr Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) On 15/10/2023 at 14:22, drduncan said: the Wagon Stock Books I have seen covering the low numbers of osL231 do not say wood and iron underframes, just wood! Are the entries for nos 34001-34100 different? Duncan, This is recorded against the Frame Material for 1222 which I believe was the first number used in Lot 231 - The others I do have for that Lot just record Wood! Not entirely sure what the words are "Iron" something "plates" Atkins mentions OSLot 211 had flitched frames (31401-31600) but don't have that range to check. Atkins has a photo of 30135 with a flitched solebar, this was a converted broad gauge wagon but agina I don't have that stock bok to check the record and Lot number... Chris Edited October 22, 2023 by Chrisbr added info 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted October 22, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2023 Chris - I think that is “iron solebar plates”, which would make sense. Nick. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbr Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 22 hours ago, magmouse said: I think that is “iron solebar plates”, which would make sense. Nick, I beieve you are correct in both regards. Thx for that Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 Re 31401 onwards - I've had a look at the first 5 and the frames all are marked as wood with iron sole bar plates. I'll check the others and check back to you. Duncan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 It’s looks like all osL211 nos 31401-600 were all recorded in the wagon stock books as having wood frames with iron sole bar plates. D 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 A fitched example https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrms1211.htm https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrms1213.htm Feel free to add more links to images of GWR 3 plank wagons! D 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium magmouse Posted December 20, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2023 Not a link, but see also fig 4 of Russell's Freight Wagons and Loads in Service on the GWR. Also, wagon 6117 you linked to pictures of has, I think, bulb section solebars, not flitched. Note the C-section headstocks, and the blocks under the solebars to support the bearing spring shoes. There is a drawing of a 3-plank wagon in "Proceedings of the Institute of Mechanical Engineers" 1884 Plate 68, online here: https://archive.org/details/proceedings1884inst/page/n727/mode/2up (note the plates are at the back, so you need to scroll through to page 737 of the PDF) Nick. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted December 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, drduncan said: Feel free to add more links to images of GWR 3 plank wagons! My only note with this photo is "Wales". Here's a very zoomed crop of a photo of Acton Yard, said to be ca. 1911 in the caption. Put "GW" on your round-ended 3-planker and refer to this photo when they tell you it isn't right: Edited December 21, 2023 by Mikkel 5 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted December 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) Round-ender in the yard at Windsor, 1899, starting at 0:27. There's a better version of this film on BFI, but I can't seem to find it now. Edited December 21, 2023 by Mikkel 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted December 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2023 Please, if only for my obsessive sanity, could the OP change 'fitched' in the title to 'flitched'? Pretty please? CJI. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitpw Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 From BFI - a slightly clearer version of 'Windsor Castle'. It includes a ringed distant signal which Is why I have it bookmarked - https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-the-brilliant-biograph-2020-online. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Please, if only for my obsessive sanity, could the OP change 'fitched' in the title to 'flitched'? Pretty please? CJI. Might attract pig fanciers though? Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 18 hours ago, magmouse said: There is a drawing of a 3-plank wagon in "Proceedings of the Institute of Mechanical Engineers" 1884 Plate 68, online here: https://archive.org/details/proceedings1884inst/page/n727/mode/2up I had not found this link before and found the whole article about South Wales wagons of considerable interest, since it also refers to some aspects of GWR wagon design. I have extracted the relevant pages from the 'Proceedings' and attach them here, since I believe that they may be of interest to others Mineral Wagons_IME-1884.pdf Mike 2 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted December 21, 2023 Author Share Posted December 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Mikkel said: My only note with this photo is "Wales". Here's a very zoomed crop of a photo of Acton Yard, said to be ca. 1911 in the caption. Put "GW" on your round-ended 3-planker and refer to this photo when they tell you it isn't right: And the round ended number looks like ?1534. D 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, drduncan said: And the round ended number looks like ?1534. D Early 3 plankers seem to be mostly listed in the 3xxxx, 4xxxx and 1xxxx ranges. I would guess 31534 as: 1) listed in Atkins Beard etc as a 3 plank from lot L211 2) looks like a rounded top number This number is later used by one of the final O11s by 1919. Will 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 The change of the name of this thread has prompted me to restore my posts about building a GWR 3-plank wagon from the David Geen kit (NLA). As well as restoring the images, I have also changed the names of these posts to reflect their contents more clearly. Mike 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 On 21/12/2023 at 09:03, Mikkel said: Put "GW" on your round-ended 3-planker... ...but of what body colour?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted December 22, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2023 Grey. There are limits to my red wagon fetish 🙂 (and this is large GW lettering). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted December 22, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) King's Meadow Yard, some time not long after 1904 (small GWR but also large on extreme left). Some 3-plankers in the line-up on the right, including a round-ended specimen. We have discussed the photo before here once or twice. A much cropped scene from Hemyock, with more mixed liveries. I'm thinking it is a 3-planker on the right? The staff have made sure to park it with the number just behind the bush. Edited December 22, 2023 by Mikkel 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mikkel said: King's Meadow Yard YMMV, but the most interesting thing in that photo (to me, today etc) are the road vehicle tracks and the various 'ballasting' levels. Turning circle on the right and rail crossing (?) on the left to access the rear siding. Good stuff I'd not clocked before, thanks for posting again :) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeOxon Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 53 minutes ago, Mikkel said: King's Meadow Yard, some time not long after 1904 I noticed the 'forest' of telegraph poles alongside the main lines on the right of the photo - looking not that different from the electrification infrastructure that has sprouted relatively recently 🙂 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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