Tramfabriek Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Does someone have a picture(s) of the text that is shown on the short sides of the Class 108? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted September 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2023 22 minutes ago, Tramfabriek said: Does someone have a picture(s) of the text that is shown on the short sides of the Class 108? No photo - but it varies between car types. It's the vehicle type code, plus seating capacity, weight, dimensions, etc. The red on white sticker is the overhead live wire warning. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jbqfc Posted September 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2023 Here one from a class 377/3 John 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted September 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, jbqfc said: Here one from a class 377/3 John Same sort of thing - but that is a far more modern version. CJI. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted September 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2023 Do a Google search on 'BR dmu data panel', and choose 'Images'. CJI. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramfabriek Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 Thanks for the suggestions. It's very helpful to know that this information is called "data panel". A Google search brings up a Class 122 panel. https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-122/data-panels I guess I can make something up from that, if I can understand the material abbreviation: MBS - Motor Brake Standard TSL - Trailer Standard (class) Lavatory MCL - Motor Composite Lavatory? (Can't see for sure if the last letter is an L) Would this be correct? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 S originally stood for second (and T for third had been used instead on older vehicles until June 1956). Standard only replaced second as a class designation in the mid-1980s at about the same time as passengers became customers, and for much the same reason. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted September 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2023 I'm surprised they aren't DMBS and DMCL, with D standing for Driving. Certainly later data panels (mid-70s onwards) used D. There's one on this page from the excellent railcar.co.uk site: https://www.railcar.co.uk/data/design-codes/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: I'm surprised they aren't DMBS and DMCL, with D standing for Driving. Certainly later data panels (mid-70s onwards) used D. There's one on this page from the excellent railcar.co.uk site: https://www.railcar.co.uk/data/design-codes/ I don't think they originally envisioned that there would be non-driving motor cars in DMUs. It wasn't until the Trans Pennine six car sets in 1960 that there were any. Edited September 27, 2023 by giz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 20 hours ago, Tramfabriek said: Thanks for the suggestions. It's very helpful to know that this information is called "data panel". A Google search brings up a Class 122 panel. https://www.railcar.co.uk/type/class-122/data-panels I guess I can make something up from that, if I can understand the material abbreviation: MBS - Motor Brake Standard TSL - Trailer Standard (class) Lavatory MCL - Motor Composite Lavatory? (Can't see for sure if the last letter is an L) Would this be correct? If you need transfers, Railtec already do them https://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=1722 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted September 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2023 38 minutes ago, black and decker boy said: If you need transfers, Railtec already do them https://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=1722 They are the later type, which I don't recall seeing till units got refurbished in the mid to late 70s. I am too young to remember DMUs in green, but for plain blue DMUs, I only ever remember seeing lettering in white on the blue end, with no black panel. The class 122 page linked to earlier shows a variety of different styles (and it also explains a lot of the abbreviations). Class 122s were single cars so something of an oddity. Here is a picture of a more conventional class 104: https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/1044. If you click on the 1600 px link you get a bigger image, which can be blown up even more to reveal all of the writing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, black and decker boy said: If you need transfers, Railtec already do them ... https://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=1722 6 minutes ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: They are the later type, ... Have a word with Railtec - they were kind enough to offer to produce some transfers I wanted a while back ..... and if they're reading this an offer for THESE might come out of the blue ( Though they' ask YOU to provide details.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramfabriek Posted September 29, 2023 Author Share Posted September 29, 2023 Thanks for the suggestions. That Class 104 picture shows me what is most likely and I'll use that as an example. I have a printer that can print in white and yellow, so I'm fine for decals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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