montyburns56 Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 While it's useful that Farish have made nice models of the MK1 RMB & RU, there are so many variants of the MK1 Restaurant/Buffet cars that I think that it would be nice if a manufacturer produced one of the other variants. I know that's it's quite a minefield as I believe that some of them were cosmetically modified over their lives so I'm not sure exactly which one would be best to in order to cover the longest life/numbers built etc? I think that the ones not produced so far are the RB, RBR, RFO and RKB. It would be nice if the more knowledgeable members could list how many were built of each type, just to give us a guide as to which one would be best to manufacturer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Hallo, The RFO has been produced by Graham Farish. The RFO had no catering facilities and was the seating area (dining room) for the full kitchen stock of KB/RKB. The RF has not been produced. es grüßt pc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted August 13, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2023 I’ve got some Farish RMBs (blue/grey and InterCity), one RU and one RFO (both blue/grey) so I doubt very much I’d be buying another coach with a red stripe. In fact, I didn’t even know there were any other types. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted August 13, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2023 Just looking through Longworth and there are 35 different diagrams of Mk1 catering vehicles. There were also RSO, RUO, RE, RG, RF, RFB, RKB, RB(K) and then a whole load of ROYs for the Royal Trains... So yes, a minefield.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 When I was involved in the catering provision on a group of loco-hauled InterCity services, we used to diagram Mk 1 catering vehicles by coach number such was the variation inside the cars even when they were nominally identical. This dictated what they could produce. Catering needs varied considerably by route. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 (edited) Some of the RBRs were converted from RUs. Only the window pattern of the kitchen side were altered, the other side remained unchanged. Millfield Models converted two Farish RUs for me, one stayed BlueGrey, the other was resprayed to InterCity. Here a pic of the BlueGrey. I am very happy with the result. es grüßt pc Edited August 13, 2023 by Padishar Creel Uploaded 2nd pic, found on the web, all credit to the photographer 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 13, 2023 Author Share Posted August 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Padishar Creel said: Hallo, The RFO has been produced by Graham Farish. The RFO had no catering facilities and was the seating area (dining room) for the full kitchen stock of KB/RKB. The RF has not been produced. es grüßt pc Right, I didn't realise that Farish had produced an RFO nor that an RFO and RF are different. Oops! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 13, 2023 Author Share Posted August 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Padishar Creel said: Some of the RBRs were converted from RUs. Only the window pattern of the kitchen side were altered, the other side remained unchanged. Millfield Models converted two Farish RUs for me, one stayed BlueGrey, the other was resprayed to InterCity. Here a pic of the BlueGrey. I am very happy with the result. es grüßt pc Yeah, the problem that I fear for any manufacturer making a new Restaurant Car is that some of them were altered making it even harder to pick one that is commercially viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 13, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2023 The RFO (essentially a Open First with red stripe and an earlier design omitting centre door limiting it to a very small batch) were very poor sellers when they were released, they hung around for years after all the other blue/grey Mk1's had been released and were being sold off for as little as a tenner sometimes. I bought three if I remember rightly for parts donors and bashing into other types. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted August 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 14, 2023 Hi RKB diagram 25 for me but not on your list. Current plan is to cut up some coaches to make one but I have plenty of other higher priority projects to do first. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 14, 2023 Author Share Posted August 14, 2023 37 minutes ago, PaulCheffus said: Hi RKB diagram 25 for me but not on your list. Current plan is to cut up some coaches to make one but I have plenty of other higher priority projects to do first. Cheers Paul Ahh, I did actually mean an RKB. I'm beginning to think that I should just delete the poll and start again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveArkley Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 22 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Ahh, I did actually mean an RKB. I'm beginning to think that I should just delete the poll and start again. And include some pre-nationalisation options (I'd love some LMS 12 wheel catering stock). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) The problem with any catering vehicle, but especially a restaurant car is that you will not even need one in every express passenger rake you possess. This makes the RMB more useful and viable for a manufacturer as it will be used in a greater number of trains. This is also doubtless the reason we haven't seen Thompson or Stanier catering vehicles - they just wouldn't sell enough. Edited August 15, 2023 by Roy L S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share Posted August 15, 2023 31 minutes ago, Roy L S said: The problem with any catering vehicle, but especially a restaurant car is that you will not even need one in every express passenger rake you possess. This makes the RMB more useful and viable for a manufacturer as it will be used in a greater number of trains. This is also doubtless the reason we haven't seen Thompson or Stanier catering vehicles - they just wouldn't sell enough. I'm aware that restaurant cars aren't the best sellers, but it's just that it's a bit annoying if you want to model a specific train and the exact type isn't available as RTR. The poll is really just to see which one would be the most popular if someone did decide to make another one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 15, 2023 Author Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 hours ago, DaveArkley said: And include some pre-nationalisation options (I'd love some LMS 12 wheel catering stock). Well the trouble is that they are even more of a niche item. At least the MK1's were used across the various regions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acourtrail Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 The diagram 24 RB/RBR (1644 - 1760 number series) would be the easiest to do, because the windows and doors stayed the same throughout their lives (at least until the modern day charter operators got their hands on some of them). They carried maroon, Southern Region green, chocolate and cream, blue and grey, the three main intercity liveries (executive, swallow and white roof). Some later on got blood and custard, LNWR and pullman liveries when they ran in charter trains, but even those could be done using the standard version tooling because when they had the saloons converted into storage space, the unwanted windows were just painted white. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 On 14/08/2023 at 17:37, montyburns56 said: Ahh, I did actually mean an RKB. I'm beginning to think that I should just delete the poll and start again. I would guess that the RB/RBR would still top the poll. Very widely used on services, long life etc. It seems to have been a success for Hornby es grüßt pc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveArkley Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 3 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Well the trouble is that they are even more of a niche item. At least the MK1's were used across the various regions. Niche? London to Edinburgh, both directions, every day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold melmoth Posted August 15, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2023 46 minutes ago, DaveArkley said: Niche? London to Edinburgh, both directions, every day? Yep, that's niche. A bit like the Brighton Belle, quite a limited range of operation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebem Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Another vote for the RBR, these are what I need for my Class 50 + mk2 rakes. I like the converted RU posted above though, given me some inspiration. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 57 minutes ago, davebem said: Another vote for the RBR, these are what I need for my Class 50 + mk2 rakes. I like the converted RU posted above though, given me some inspiration. My thought was that an RBR would best, but I didn't want to prejudice the poll by mentioning it. Plus like a lot of older modellers I have fond memories of the Mainline 00 version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 18 hours ago, davebem said: Another vote for the RBR, these are what I need for my Class 50 + mk2 rakes. I like the converted RU posted above though, given me some inspiration. I swapped the wheelsets from the CW ones to the sets for the B4 which reduces the height and in this way the roof is the same height as Dapol MK3s and Farish MK2Fs es grüßt pc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 Now that Bachmann have announced an OO scale RB, we should see an N Gauge version as some point in the future. Having said that I wouldn't hold your breath as I'm still waiting for them to downscale their MK1 POS Stowage van. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Now that Bachmann have announced an OO scale RB, we should see an N Gauge version as some point in the future. Having said that I wouldn't hold your breath as I'm still waiting for them to downscale their MK1 POS Stowage van. Possibly more chance of the RB than a P.O.S stowage van (oh you didn't mean that P.O.S 🤣). It might be a POT. Would hope that any OO item being done right now would have a corresponding N gauge version designed even if not immediately tooled. And more use for an RB, and FO and a BSO than a POT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted April 29 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29 (edited) 19 hours ago, montyburns56 said: I'm still waiting for them to downscale their MK1 POS Stowage van. Who knows; the summer announcement is on Wednesday. Only three months ago nobody knew about the LMS twins and yet some people now have them running on their layouts. If anyone’s listening, a 25/3 or a skinhead 31 would also be welcome 😉 Edited April 29 by The Pilotman 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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