Fredo Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Hi, since Heljan and now EFE are modelling the car carriers does anyone have any ideas on the formation and coach numbers or where I could find them? Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted June 19, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2023 The BR Coaching stock group is a good place to start: https://brcoachingstock.groups.io/ Dig through the Group's archives and you'll find many carriage workings including the summer 1961 Anglo Scottish Car Carrier, running from Holloway to Edinburgh: *BSK (luggage only) *FK *RU *FO 8 CCT 2 CCT (detach Newcastle) And much later in the day, the Car Sleeper from Kings Cross to Perth: 9CCT 5x SLSTP or 5x SLST (Mon, Wed & Sat Only) 5x *SLSTP (Tue & Thu only) *BSO All coaches marked * are BR Mk1. The CCT will be the bogie car carriers - ex LNER CCT, Newton Chambers or Mk1 GUV. You'll find some images in Flickr: D1546_AngloScotCarC_1963 by robertcwp, on Flickr (Robert Gadson on Flickr) Steven B 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted June 19, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) I think that early-'60s formation was fairly consistent through the years, although I'm sure I've seen a pic with a BSO in place of the BSK. The Anglo-Scottish Car Carrier (in maroon, with the name on the side of the CCTs) is shown on a 1962 BTF film 'North Eastern Moves Forward'. Though seems to have a Thomson coach for dining? Footage is at around 4:30. Edited June 20, 2023 by keefer 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) The above formation with 10 vans will be for the original formation using bogie CCTs, as shown in the picture above. (Yes, that is a Thompson dining coach, presumably a substitute as the booked formation shows a Mk1). With the introduction of the TCVs, the formation was reduced to 6 vans (inc. 1 for Newcastle), bearing in mind the TCV carried twice as many cars as a CCT. Also, the BSK was replaced by a BSO.* Also it seems, the vans from the Down day train were transfered empty to Perth to return on the night tran, and similarly the vans off the Down night train returned on the day train from Edinburgh * Hint to tell Mk1 BSO from BSK BSK: 4 compartment, 2 pairs of luggage doors to van, no corridor-side window opposite toilet BSO: 5 Bays, one pair of luggage doors to short van, clear window opposite toilet Ref: LNER Passenger Trains and Formations, Banks and Carter Edited June 25, 2023 by Ken.W 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnw1 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 TCV stabled at York E96296E – https://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/52872011368/ TCV in a West Coast formation at Crewe 85003 – http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/7878049220/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 On 25/06/2023 at 16:06, Ken.W said: The above formation with 10 vans will be for the original formation using bogie CCTs, as shown in the picture above. (Yes, that is a Thompson dining coach, presumably a substitute as the booked formation shows a Mk1). With the introduction of the TCVs, the formation was reduced to 6 vans (inc. 1 for Newcastle), bearing in mind the TCV carried twice as many cars as a CCT. Also, the BSK was replaced by a BSO.* Also it seems, the vans from the Down day train were transfered empty to Perth to return on the night tran, and similarly the vans off the Down night train returned on the day train from Edinburgh * Hint to tell Mk1 BSO from BSK BSK: 4 compartment, 2 pairs of luggage doors to van, no corridor-side window opposite toilet BSO: 5 Bays, one pair of luggage doors to short van, clear window opposite toilet Ref: LNER Passenger Trains and Formations, Banks and Carter Hi Ken, Were these car carriers also used in the summer 1962 TuO and ThO Cars and Sleepers - 925pm Dover to Newcastle which ran via High Wycombe? There was also a MO and WO 845pm return! If not , what would have been used for the cars? Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted August 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2023 The formation given in the SR Summer 1962 CW book is: 8.45pm Dover Marine - Newcastle (MWO) 4CCT(York) 8CCT(Newcastle) BSO SLS SLSTP SLBSK There is no designation stating the type of stock but presumably ER Gresley/Mk1? - I don't know if/when Mk1 stock was used on these services. CCT - presumably those already discussed SLS may be Gresley-design Sleeper with 4-berths per compartment SLSTP - Sleeper with twin-berth compartments and Pantry (attendant's compt.) - all Mk1 second-class sleepers were this type. SLBSK - an elusive vehicle photograph wise, a Brake coach with 4 sleeper compartments. IIRC one appeared in the Perth sleeper. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Tallpaul69 said: Hi Ken, Were these car carriers also used in the summer 1962 TuO and ThO Cars and Sleepers - 925pm Dover to Newcastle which ran via High Wycombe? There was also a MO and WO 845pm return! If not , what would have been used for the cars? Cheers Paul Hi Paul Well, from the workings posted above The vans from the Down day car carrier return on the Up night sleeper, And vice-versa for the vans on the Up day car carrier. So, with 6 vans to each of these circuits, that accounts for 12 of the 14 TCV vans built, leaving 2 spares and none available for other services. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallpaul69 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 17 hours ago, Ken.W said: Hi Paul Well, from the workings posted above The vans from the Down day car carrier return on the Up night sleeper, And vice-versa for the vans on the Up day car carrier. So, with 6 vans to each of these circuits, that accounts for 12 of the 14 TCV vans built, leaving 2 spares and none available for other services. Thanks ken, Sounds like the Dover -Newcastle service used GUVs, which I have? That will save me the expense of the TCVs although they do look nice! Anyone thoughts on where I can find the makeup of the Dover-Newcastle trains. I have E running number Mk1 sleepers, might chuck in the odd SR green brake for variety. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted September 24, 2023 Author Share Posted September 24, 2023 Thanks for the information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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