Endeavour

[Metr0Land]

Just goes to show how great the original Morse was, given we've had 2 major spinoffs in the form of Lewis and Endeavour.

[NIK]

9 minutes ago, didcot said:

Lovely cameo at the end.😢

Russell Lewis?.

 

Regards

 

Nik

[didcot]

Just now, NIK said:

12 minutes ago, didcot said:

Lovely cameo at the end.😢

Russell Lewis?.

No, but I won't spoil it.

[didcot]

There is a documentary due to start now.

[NIK]

2 minutes ago, didcot said:

No, but I won't spoil it.

If you get your drift wasn't the cameo scene similar to another a while ago?.

 

I think Morse is a great tragic character. He seems to be an Oxford specialist, one of the few policemen with a foot in both camps being the son of a taxi driver and having studied greats in the University town. His talents hem him in and drink becomes his master. What makes him personally a great detective makes him a poor policeman and his humanity makes him struggle with politics and occasionally his colleagues.

 

Regards

 

Nik

 

 

[KeithMacdonald]

What an ending. I cried.

 

[The Johnster]

I was certain at least one of the core characters ((other than Morse, DeBryn, and Strange) would have shuffled off his/her mortal, and had Thursday pegged as a goner for sure after his funny turn.  Excellent finish, apart from the pointless unexplained gunshot in the churchyard, superb acting, production, direction, and storyline; a worthy ending!

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by The Johnster

[NIK]

5 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said:

What an ending. I cried.

 

Ditto. I laughed in an old episode where Endeavour visits a Private Investigators office and gets hit on the head - a Chandler Bing you could call it.

 

I cringed at the episodes with a railway connection but budgets are not infinite - even the latest mission impossible film couldn't afford a custom made real steam locomotive.

 

I suppose there is a small chance DI Thursday could get Sam a job overseas and then he retires and sets up a detective agency. I've found Roger Allam a revelation - have you heard him in Radio 4's Cabin Pressure as a suave pilot who always thinks outside the box and then steals from it?.

 

However they seemed to say in the documentary that the project ends as a trilogy (M,L and E).

 

Anyway I thought the last episode came good and made me cry despite of or because of the lack of opera music and was a good companion piece to the first episode.

 

Regards

 

Nik

[KeithMacdonald]

Quite a few surprises in that last episode. How to mention them without it being a spoiler?

 

I was very surprised by the identity of the person that rang Endeavour's front door bell in the dead of the night. I was expecting one of the Nasties from County.

[KeithMacdonald]

2 hours ago, NIK said:

I've found Roger Allam a revelation - have you heard him in Radio 4's Cabin Pressure

 

Oh! Didn't know it existed. Is it on BBC iPlayer/Sounds?

[Hroth]

3 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said:

How to mention them without it being a spoiler?

 

Its been broadcast.  Anyone who is watching it over the next few days on catchup or recorded should have the sense not to look in here if they crave surprises!

 

Personally I prefer not to have things jump out at me, so the more "spoilers" the merrier! 🤪

 

[didcot]

Must admit I shed a tear. Brilliant end to a fantastic series. 

[bodmin16]

Re the gunshot in the graveyard, I took that as either an uncharacteristic act of rage or (myore preferred choice) contemplating taking his own life.  We all know Morse as a deep and complex person who is driven to do things properly, was this a moment where his internal torture and his feeling of disappointment/failure, nearly got the better of him?

[NIK]

18 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said:

 

Oh! Didn't know it existed. Is it on BBC iPlayer/Sounds?

Just disappeared from Sounds but I think the various series (totalling 26 episodes) was very popular so is likely to be regularly repeated.

 

Benedict Cumberbatch and Roger Allam's characters have a Mainwaring/Wilson thing going on.

Roger Allam's character is an experienced and natural pilot but his decades of fiddling of expenses mean he is reduced to working for a one plane charter company. Whereas Benedict Cumberbatch's character desperately wants to fly despite his lack of talent and gets to be Captain much to his co-pilots frustration.

 

The show has a stupid boy - the plane owners son, played by the writer. The mother is a great character and the old plane becomes part of cast especially in the final episode.

 

The broke plane company with a broken plane mixes Only Fools and Horses with the situation richness of Dads Army.

 

Regards

 

Nik

 

 

[NIK]

5 minutes ago, bodmin16 said:

Re the gunshot in the graveyard, I took that as either an uncharacteristic act of rage or (myore preferred choice) contemplating taking his own life.  We all know Morse as a deep and complex person who is driven to do things properly, was this a moment where his internal torture and his feeling of disappointment/failure, nearly got the better of him?

Maybe that was included to show his strength of feeling towards Joan and his disappointment in his mentor Fred Thursday's betrayal of  the standards Morse hold himself to so as we know Morse survives but never mentions the Thursdays again.

 

The failure to kill himself sets Morse back on the path of solving murderous puzzles, looking for love but continuing his destructive relationship with alcohol?.

 

Regards

 

Nik

 

 

[ejstubbs]

12 hours ago, NIK said:

If you get your drift wasn't the cameo scene similar to another a while ago?.

 

Given that it was basically a reprise of the same cameo from the pilot episode - and had been heavily telegraphed by the approaching car - I thought it was actually a bit clunky.  But none the less welcome.

[exet1095]

11 minutes ago, NIK said:

Just disappeared from Sounds but I think the various series (totalling 26 episodes) was very popular so is likely to be regularly repeated.

 

Benedict Cumberbatch and Roger Allam's characters have a Mainwaring/Wilson thing going on.

Roger Allam's character is an experienced and natural pilot but his decades of fiddling of expenses mean he is reduced to working for a one plane charter company. Whereas Benedict Cumberbatch's character desperately wants to fly despite his lack of talent and gets to be Captain much to his co-pilots frustration.

 

The show has a stupid boy - the plane owners son, played by the writer. The mother is a great character and the old plane becomes part of cast especially in the final episode.

 

The broke plane company with a broken plane mixes Only Fools and Horses with the situation richness of Dads Army.

 

Regards

 

Nik

 

 

I flew back from Prague to Birmingham in a Bulgarian Boeing 737 which belonged to an airline just like that. The whole crew were an extended family, and they only had one plane. The business model was to step in to provide cover when scheduled airlines had to deal with broken-down planes etc…

 

The plane was elderly, but fine, and the crew were great. My compatriots returning to the UK after a drinking holiday in Prague, less so.

 

Meanwhile, what a great end to the show, although the filming must have been early to catch Blenheim so empty! He was also heading the wrong way to go back to Oxford!

Paul

[Phil Parker]

6 hours ago, The Johnster said:

I was certain at least one of the core characters ((other than Morse, DeBryn, and Strange) would have shuffled off his/her mortal, and had Thursday pegged as a goner for dire after his funny turn.  Excellent finish, apart from the pointless unexplained gunshot in the churchyard, superb acting, production, direction, and storyline; a worthy ending!

 

 

I wondered if the funny turn took place in the same college where Morse himself pegged out - they all look the same to me though.

 

The gunshot was odd, but I seem to recall (John Thaw) Morse mentioning he had contemplated suicide in the series, so an attempt wouldn't be out of character.

[NIK]

1 hour ago, ejstubbs said:

 

Given that it was basically a reprise of the same cameo from the pilot episode - and had been heavily telegraphed by the approaching car - I thought it was actually a bit clunky.  But none the less welcome.

Hi,

 

I think the series is part financed for the US market so reprising the same cameo may seem acceptable to the production companies. I thought the episode where the Tarot cards were dealt out at the end were a bit clunky and that's when I first noticed Masterpiece productions on the credits. At least with an eponymous title the title didn't need changing for the US market - Midsummer Murders being called Barnaby in the US.

 

One web post on the plot of the final episode mentioned Thursday had originally planned to go to Carshalton (Surrey) rather than Carshall Newtown. Carshall Newtown is where Endeavour is seconded from in the pilot episode?.

 

Regards

 

Nik

Edited March 13, 2023 by NIK

[ejstubbs]

13 hours ago, NIK said:

Russell Lewis?

 

I have a feeling that the conductor of the choir at the end was Russell Lewis.  Which would make sense of the brief exchange between him and Endeavour, in a "breaking the fourth wall" kind of way:

 

 

Russell Lewis on Mubi:

 

[ejstubbs]

14 hours ago, DaveSmith said:

The recorder messed up, so will have to wait for the repeats to see the final instalment of this long running saga.

 

It's available to stream on ITVX, and on STV Player - the latter being preferable IMO since they don't bother with adverts during the programmes.

[ejstubbs]

9 minutes ago, NIK said:

One web post on the plot of the final episode mentioned Thursday had originally planned to go to Carshalton (Surrey) rather than Carshall Newtown.

 

Do you have a link to that?

 

There is quite a good review of Exeunt on Den of Geek (contains spoilers), as well as a lot of other Endeavour-related stuff (and indeed stuff relating to all sorts of TV series, both popular and more niche/cult).

[NIK]

2 minutes ago, ejstubbs said:

 

Do you have a link to that?

 

There is quite a good review of Exeunt on Den of Geek (contains spoilers), as well as a lot of other Endeavour-related stuff (and indeed stuff relating to all sorts of TV series, both popular and more niche/cult).

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1745496/Endeavour-season-9-ending-explained/amp

[KeithMacdonald]

The reappearance of Blenheim Vale gave me the shudders. Too many ghosts?

 

I was confused by Sam Thursday's sudden rehabilitation. Out of the miiltary prison, then on the drink (or worse), nicking money from his mum. Then all of a sudden he's clean & sober, and his Dad has squared it for Sam to join the police? Different times maybe, but could you join the police with a prison record?

 

Getting the Biker Gang to deal with the thoroughly nasty DI Lott was a nice touch, but it felt a bit sudden and incomplete. Loose ends perhaps?

[ejstubbs]

1 hour ago, NIK said:

At least with an eponymous title the title didn't need changing for the US market - Midsummer Murders being called Barnaby in the US.

 

Not according to IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118401/releaseinfo/?ref_=tt_dt_aka#akas

 

However, it definitely was in Italy (I know because I've watched it there!) and France and Germany.  It's allegedly why, when John Nettles decided to pack it in, the replacement's character turned out to be a close relation with the same surname.  Presumably it was thought that "doing a Taggart" would be too confusing for our continental cousins.