Johann Marsbar Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 (edited) In early 2007 the Portuguese Traction Group (PTG) advertised an interesting looking tour to Argentina for November that year which included a 5 day charter of a special train on freight only lines starting in Buenos Aires and covering the major cities of Mendoza, Rosario and Cordoba, all for a very competitive price. It all seemed too good to miss (and to be true, which is what it actually turned out to be....) so our usual group of 3 from our North American wanderings duly booked on it. As the months went past, it was fairly obvious that all was not well with the itinerary in Argentina as the programme kept changing and eventually the whole 5 day charter ended up being cancelled, with a somewhat truncated itinerary being put in its place - with the option of participants being able to cancel if they weren't happy. We decided to stick with it, even though the final details weren't actually confirmed until we arrived in Buenos Aires! We flew out on the direct BA 747 route from LHR to Buenos Aires (which called in at Sao Paulo on the way as that seemed less hassle than a route that involved connecions in the US or Madrid and joined up with the rest of the tour group at Ezeiza Airport where we were transferred to our hotel in central Bs As. The rest of that day was free for an initial explore of the city centre on foot, particularly the central docklands area (Puerto Madero) which had been transformed into a tourist/shopping development. With the decimation of passenger rail services in the Country after privatisation in the 1990's, road transport predominates....... ...though the Docklands area was, at that time, the location of a modern demonstration tramway which used a couple of Citadis cars loaned from Mulhouse..... This was part of a plan to re-introduce trams to the City, but, like most things in Argentina, it never happened and the line was dismantled within the next 3 years or so. The fact that the initial demonstration line basically ran from nowhere to nowhere didn't help! The docks are home to a couple of preserved (British built) Argentine naval vessels - both being built by Lairds in Birkenhead...... Presidente Sarmiento (1897)... ARA Uruguay (1874)..... The next day saw the start of the tour proper with a tour of the Bs As Terminal stations, commencing with Once station on the former Buenos Aires Western Railway - services being provided by third rail EMU's, the suburban line out to Moreno being electrified in 1923......... Some of the bufferstops were of interest to me...... The local bus scene in Bs As is rather colourful, with routes being operated on a franchised basis by companies with their own route colours......... . Edited July 28 by Johann Marsbar extra text added 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bernard Lamb Posted July 28 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28 I reckon that I was there shortly before the time of your visit. The tramway was still under construction. Internal transport in Argentina seems to be subject to delays and alterations at will. Getting there as you mention can also be a problem. I have found the best option for several South American countries, that suits a ratio of cost to conveinience is to fly via Miami. But only if you have paperwork that allows you to leave the airport. A stop over of 6-8 hours give time for a trip and a meal. I got it very wrong on my first trip. One of the ships was there. I went south to Ushuaia and found a London bus. There was a small railway section in the local museum. I think it is an O & K loco. I have seen wooden track befor but never wooden switch blades in point work. Sorry for the poor photo, best I could gat as the weather was terrible. Bernard 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 16 minutes ago, Bernard Lamb said: I reckon that I was there shortly before the time of your visit. The tramway was still under construction. Internal transport in Argentina seems to be subject to delays and alterations at will. Getting there as you mention can also be a problem. I have found the best option for several South American countries, that suits a ratio of cost to conveinience is to fly via Miami. But only if you have paperwork that allows you to leave the airport. A stop over of 6-8 hours give time for a trip and a meal. I got it very wrong on my first trip. One of the ships was there. I went south to Ushuaia and found a London bus. There was a small railway section in the local museum. I think it is an O & K loco. I have seen wooden track befor but never wooden switch blades in point work. Sorry for the poor photo, best I could gat as the weather was terrible. Bernard Details on the O&K loco... https://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=12572 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 The next station visited on our tour was Constitución, a somewhat more imposing structure than that at Once, which had been rebuilt in the early 1960's. Constitución was the terminus of the broad gauge Buenos Aires Great Southern Railway and nowadays consists of an 1880's built main facade, behind which is a very imposing main hall, the foundation stone for that being laid in September 1925 by the then Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII/Duke of Windsor). The Main Hall..... Beyond that there is a large train shed, which in 2007 they had just started restoring but which was rather decrepit at that time....... Earlier in 2007, this station had been the site of rioting by disgruntled passengers totally fed up with the privatised Metropolitano train operator, who promptly lost the franchise and started the trend back to Public control of the Bs As suburban services! No prizes for guessing who built the buffer stops....... Some of the routes are electrified at 25Kv overhead using Japanese built units, while some fairly elderly diesels operate on the other lines, such as this 1957 built EMD G12W...... ...and these EMD GT22W2's...... 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 The next station to be visited was a considerably less grand edifice, being the "temporary" terminus of what is now the Linea Belgrano Sur narrow gauge (1000 mm) system. The station is named "Buenos Aires" and is the only terminal so named in the City, the original plan being that the line would be extended further into the central area so a wood/tin structure was built when the line opened in 1911 with the intention of a much more impressive structure being built when the line was extended - but this never happened! It was still mainly semaphore signalled at that time as well....... This 1958/59 built GE U12 arrived with a train whilst we were there......... ....followed by this EMD G-22CU-2..... A view of one of the passenger cars...... To form the final passenger link into the City Centre, one of the Collectivo operators - Mocba - used the station forecourt for their depot and terminal for Route 59, the buses being painted in a rather elaborate livery...... From wiki, it seems the station shut in 2018 and the line is now being extended to a new terminus...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires_Belgrano_Sur_Line_railway_station 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 (edited) One thing that was becoming apparent on our first full day in Argentina is that organisation of things seemed to fall into the p' up in a brewery category so our intended programme of station visits that day became somewhat curtailed, particularly as we were supposed to be catching the overnight passenger service operated by Ferrocentral that evening from Buenos Aires to Cordoba. Out went the visit to Lacroze station, replaced by a bit of free time for lunch in Puerto Madero or for the tram neds to cover the demonstration tramway. I actually did some sightseeing around the Casa Rosada, where this Collectivo low-floor Mercedes bus en-route to Longchamps was seen.... ..along with a better shot of one of the two Mulhouse cars on the demonstration tramway..... The road haulage side of things was fairly interesting as well with a number of elderly tractor units in evidence - including this Fiat (?).... A bonneted Mercedes can be seen in the background. The LInea San Martin broad gauge station at Retiro was the next on the list for a fairly brief visitation, though we would be back there later in the trip. Ferrobaires B456, an Alco RSD-16 was making up a long-distance train ........ ...while this rather interesting wooden-bodied coach (preserved?) was resident in one of the sidings...... Next door, the second of the Retiro terminals - for the narrow gauge Belgrano Norte suburban operations (metre gauge) was then visited...... The privatised operation on this line - run by Ferrovias - was by far the most "professional" of the Bs As suburban lines, reflected in the presentation of the stock and the operations in general. One of their EMD G22CU locos is seen there..... ...plus one of their ex FEVE (Spain) Babcock & Wilcox built GE U11B locos on a limited stop service to Boulogne-sur-Mer..... Edited July 31 by Johann Marsbar 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 Final stop of the day was the third of the Retiro terminal stations - the broad gauge one serving the Mitre line, formerly the Central Argentine Railway. Nowadays it's only suburban EMU's that run from there, with the occasional long distance runs to Rosario or Cordoba at odd times of the day. It's a very imposing terminal , opening in its current form in 1915, with a firm in Liverpool supplying the main steelwork for the train sheds, with the roof coming from the Butterley Company. The light was beginning to go by this stage of the day so some of the images aren't as sharp as they could be. An EMU under one of the two train sheds...... Supporting steelwork....... ..builders plate..... One of the lift cages on the platforms..... A rather ornate signal bracket with FCCA monogram cast into the base....... End view of one of the train sheds...... ...and one with an EMU leaving..... The Ferrocentral carriage sidings can be seen over to the right of the photo, in the gathering gloom formed by shadows. An EMU which still retained its FA livery..... These appeared to be being used for special services for "Cartoneros" - An Argentine peculiarity in the form of itinerant waste paper and cardboard collectors who descended on the City centre overnight to collect such materials to make a living. The specials were operated on a few lines to keep them (and their trollies) away from normal passengers! An ex RENFE Class 593 DMU was also in the station operating a long distance service to Rosario......... We were going to be departong from that station - or rather from seperate platforms alongside - on the overnight train to Cordoba, which was operated by Ferrocentral. Whilst the tour of the terminals on the first day was a good introduction to the passenger operations in the City, it had taken an inordinate amount of time and, despite being "organised" (in a fairly loose form of the word) it had bordered on the shambolic at times. One thing that had become apparent was the sheer number of "Security" personnel employed in the Country, most of which had an aversion to prople taking photos of railway related items...... 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bernard Lamb Posted August 1 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1 Loving it Johann. Security in most of South America can be rather over the top. Try a visit to a bank to get the taste of it. 😀 When you see the remains of the infrasructure that existed in the early part of the c20, when Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world, it is hard to conprehend just how the economy has collapsed. Bernard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 9 hours ago, Bernard Lamb said: Loving it Johann. Security in most of South America can be rather over the top. Try a visit to a bank to get the taste of it. 😀 When you see the remains of the infrasructure that existed in the early part of the c20, when Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world, it is hard to conprehend just how the economy has collapsed. Bernard The ultimate Security zealot we found over there was on the next trip a couple of us did back to Buenos Aires in early 2009. We caught one of the semi-fast Differencial Ferrovias trains out to Boulogne-sur-Mer and then walked up to a level crossing some distance away from the station to get photos of the evening rush trains like this..... One of the (presumably bored) security veg from the station decided to walk down the tracks from the platform and remonstrate with us about taking photos. As we were on a public highway crossing the line, he got fairly short shrift from us (admittedly not in Spanish..) and he eventually returned from whence he came! 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 Our overnight service to Cordoba departed at around 20.35 with the group seated in a 1st class "Pullman" coach which had reclining seats. Headed by a Ferrocentral GT-22CW, built at La Grange in 1972, there was a restaurant car on the train and we soon moved there after departure to have our evening meal. We did wonder if our luggage would join us on the train as there was something of a farce (involving a couple of taxis in the rush hour) in transferring it from the hotel - where it had been stored during the day - to the station. This was part of the continuing inabillity of the locals to organise the proverbial! Just to prove that the hour exists, this shot was taken at Rosario station - where our train reversed - at something like 02.40 in the morning...... A fascinating fact is that Rosario was once - at the rail networks peak - served by 28 different rail routes on two different gauges! Leaving Rosario, we had the unusual spectacle of being escorted by mounted security officers through parts of the City - presumably to deter would-be theives from targeting the train. Shanty developments are a big feature of Argentine urban (and some rural...) areas and there is a wide gap between the "haves" and "have-nots" - the fairly continuous economic problems experienced by the Country making this a very large problem. Several of the trains we travelled on were stoned whilst passing through shanty areas, so you certainly didn't put your head out of the windows in "suspect" areas, and a lot of the carriages had additional Makrylon "glazing" outside the glass windows to prevent breakage. These sheets were invariably badly scratched due to the rock impacts, so visibility was poor out of a lot of the train windows. Riding of the train was particularly rough on some sections and we were half expecting to be derailled in some areas it was that bad! On arrival at the Mitre line station in Cordoba, Ferrocentral had gathered their 3 ex-CP English Electric/Sorefame 1400 class locos at the station - one of which (1410, a Vulcan Foundry product) - would be taking us on a railtour - admittedly over part of the line we had just travelled on........ There was evidence of some mixed gauge track in the station area, though only one through track still had the rails in place....... A nice collection of semaphores was also in evidence..... We quickly boared our special train and headed off back to Villa Maria, with this Nuevo Central Argentino RSD-16 being seen in a yard at Manfredi.... Our special is seen at a photostop in Rio Segundo...... 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bernard Lamb Posted August 2 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2 A few more transport related shots from Argentina. An internal flight took us to El Calafate. Not the plane we flew on. The Preident had a holiday villa there. I am not very knowledgeable in respect of types of planes and buses. So, sorry, I am unable to write captions. From there by bus to El Chalten. At that time the trip of around 220km was mainly on a dirt road. It has since been tarmaced. The first view of the mountains. The highest is Fitzroy The bridges were in a bad state of repair or had temporary replacements. The bus stopped outside of the village and passengers had to walk the last km as the bridge had a severe weight limit. Our first sight of the mountains was almost to be the last, as a huge storm developed over The Patagonian Ice Field and venturing outside for the next three days was almost impossible. Bernard 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 Our charter train just covered the northern section of our route into Cordoba that morning as far as Villa Maria - a flat and not very scenic section of route. There was one advantage in that we passed through the town of Oliva again a couple of times and I'd noticed that there was some form of Falklands war display there when we passed through first thing in the morning. This appears to now be called the Museo Nacional de Malvinas and seems to have expanded since 2007 with several more aircraft present, dispays now being either side of the rail line from a study of Google Earth. In 2007 there was a Canberra..... ..a Skyhawk - plus an amphibious vehicle of some sort, a recreated ships bow (Belgrano?) and what looked like a cairn type memorial...... The ships bow was off to the right of that shot. A second chance for photos was available on the way back, so I managed a zoomed in shot of the Skyhawk....... ...and there was also a Pucara on display as well..... The terminal point of our charter, Villa Maria, seemed rather shut that day, but the train is seen at the station there...... ....along with the two ex-CP Budd coaches that formed our train..... This elderly Fiat did put in an appearance whilst I had a quick walk into town..... A view out of the back of the train as we passed through Manfredi station on the return trip to Cordoba does show that the building there is constructed in the best Mid-Suffolk Light Railway corrugated tin & wood architectural style..... The station nameboard construction there was cut-out letters on a wire mesh background - a bit like the 1970's Northern Ireland Railways nameboard style. M&GN style concrete station nameboards tended to predominate at other locations. 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 We only spent one night in Cordoba before heading back south on the Ferrocentral train as far as Rosario. After leaving the hotel in Cordoba on the Sunday morning we travelled out to La Calera where we caught a service on the recently reopened narrow gauge line between there and Rodrigo del Busto station in the Cordoba suburbs. The route had shut in 2001 but was, in 2007, back in use on this 16km section using some heavilly rebuilt ex CP diesel railcars........ The railcars were originally used on the CP lines around Porto and their appearance had been changed quite a bit during the rebuilding process, with 3 sets based on the (rather short) initial phase of the reopened line. The intention was to reopen the line in stages and this seems to have happened.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tren_de_las_Sierras After our round trip on the DMU, we then had a coach tour of Cordoba for the rest of the morning before ending up at the Station for our Rosario train. The coach tour included the tourist sights which provided some opportunity for bus photography, though not, rather annoyingly, anywhere that the city trolleybus network operated. One of the "City of Cordoba" motorbuses (actually a private company) is seen in the central area...... Note the bus is actually badged as a Volkswagen product - something quite common in Argentina. The statutory statue of Eva Peron..... The tour bus...... Although we were parked there for a while under some trolleybus wires, none came along while we were wandering about. As well as the tour of tourist sites, we did also visit the substantial but disused (at that stage) metre gauge station at Alta Cordoba........ The platforms were full of derelict freight stock, the island platform canopies were partially dismantled and the whole place seemed to illustrate the decline of the Argentine rail network after privatisation. It seems the Tren de las Sierras has since returned passenger services there in recent years according to the Wiki report linked to earlier. It wasn't all derelict though as some of the rails did look used and over the other side of the tracks to the station building was a small loco servicing facillity, occupied by a pair of Belgrano Cargas GT-22 CU's which were apparently being prepared for a freight train out of Cordoba that night....... Some efforts were being made in late 2007 to restart freight traffic on parts of the metre gauge network, hence the unexpected activity at Alta Cordoba. 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 Back at the Mitre line station to board the service train to Rosario we had a tour of the yard area where, like lots of locations in Argentina, a lot of disused stock was dumped. There doesn't seem to be a domestic scrap industry in the Country, so lots of things are just dumped and left to rot - as will be seen when we made the first of our loco works visits on the trip with a look round the former Gorton Locomotive Works (honestly...!!) the following day. There was some narrow gauge stock dumped in the Mitre yard (with a fair extent of metre gauge tracks being buried in the dirt) including these late 1960's Fiat built B-B locos........ Note the tablet catcher on the cab side...... Another Fiat product from the 60's was this broad gauge railcar which seems to have been restored for a new train operation in 1999 but was never used, so it sat decaying in the yard..... There was a gap in the fence that did enable a photo to be taken of a passing Russian built articulated trolleybus..... I think the Waldorf Hotel in the background may not be quite to the standard of its namesake elsewhere! Our charter stock with 1410 was still present....... A view down the platform....... Motive power on the train was the same as for the outward trip....... 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bernard Lamb Posted August 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5 As you say, they do like dumping old stuff. Bernard 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erichill16 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 12 minutes ago, Bernard Lamb said: As you say, they do like dumping old stuff. Bernard Ushuaia? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted August 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5 36 minutes ago, Erichill16 said: Ushuaia? Gesundheit 🤧 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bernard Lamb said: As you say, they do like dumping old stuff. Bernard There was certainly an awful lot of rail equipment, supposedly "Preserved", which was hanging about at places we visited, and this didn't include the stuff in the custodianship of Ferroclub Argentino. This seemed to be being kept as part of a "National Collection" though whether some sort of National Museum will ever appear in the Country is another matter. The "Rail Museum" next to Retiro terminals hardly fits this category and won't actually feature until the 2009 trip, but it's all relatively small exhibits like this.... You'll see what I mean once we start including that stuff which will start at "Gorton Locomotive Works" in the next few days! Edited August 5 by Johann Marsbar 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bernard Lamb Posted August 5 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 5 4 hours ago, Erichill16 said: Ushuaia? Got it in one. A short walk out of town. The other direction leads to the naval base and they do not like peope taking photographs around there. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Of course an organised tour (perhaps even in the loosest sense) affords access to facilities that would otherwise be closed to the general public. As noted in a previous post, Rosario had quite a complex of railway lines. Back in 1992, there were (apparently) some quite interesting industrial diesels and stored/dumped steam locomotives - but with limited time and lacking specific information, I was unable to find them. What I did find, however, was a works yard for the Mitre system. I only saw broad gauge there, but it otherwise did look similar to that visited in your trip. I took an open gate as an invitation, carefully negotiating a "sleeping" (ha!) and chained-up guard dog. In the course of taking a handful of photos (mainly stored Fiat GAIA types), it became clear that my presence was unwelcome and a scramble for the gate meant getting past the now wide-awake mutt. To misquote Shakespeare, the Argentine equivalent was "exit, pursued by an RSD16". With the benefit of a head start and youthful fitness, I did manage it back to the hire car in good time (even snapping a picture of my chasers - but maybe not my best loco portrait). 7 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erichill16 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 (edited) 13 hours ago, Bernard Lamb said: Got it in one. A short walk out of town. The other direction leads to the naval base and they do not like peope taking photographs around there. Bernard When I was there, 2017(?) I was hoping to take a picture at the fire station there but it appeared to have armed guards and reading the graffiti on the wall I didn’t feel particularly welcome. I have a friend who is very interested in fire engines so whenever I get chance I take a couple of pictures for him. The year before I’d got a few from Svalbard where things are often described as ‘the most northerly’ so thought it great to get some picture from probably one of the most southerly fire station. I do seem to recall going for a walk and seeing a C47 and small patrol boat plinthed in an area of park land. Edited August 6 by Erichill16 Spelling 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted August 6 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6 As a rule of thumb it's generally best to check before travel or to ask whether it's allowed to take pictures of railway stations, sea ports and airports in other countries as rules vary. Providing there's someone to ask and/or published information. Not everywhere allows unrestricted photography, unfortunately. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 6 Author Share Posted August 6 1 hour ago, Erichill16 said: When I was there, 2017(?) I was hoping to take a picture at the fire station there but it appeared to have armed guards and reading the graffiti on the wall I didn’t feel particularly welcome. I have a friend who is very interested in fire engines so whenever I get chance I take a couple of pictures for him. The year before I’d got a few from Svalbard where things are often described as ‘the most northerly’ so thought it great to get some picture from probably one of the most southerly fire station. I do seem to recall going for a walk and seeing a C47 and small patrol boat plinthed in an area of park land. The squaddies on the gate at Moron Airbase in Buenos Aires (also home of the National Aviation Museum) on the 2009 trip were rather baffled by the appearance of two English people on foot who had just got off the local bus and wanted to see the Aviation Museum - seemingly something fairly rare for most Tourists as they normally appear in hire cars! The Airforce man in the Museum was overjoyed to have visitors from the UK and more or less steered us straight to the Falklands war display, totally ignoring the rest of the rather interesting exhibits, like this.... 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erichill16 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 The time we had in Ushuaia was a bonus, it was the departure and return port for our trip to Antarctica. We arrived back about 12 hours ahead of schedule due to a medical emergency on board so ended up with a few hours free time. I’m always careful when photographing abroad, particularly in countries where language may be a barrier. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted August 6 Author Share Posted August 6 The train left at 16.20 and we travelled as far as Rosario where we arrived early the next morning (00.48) - an evening meal being taken en-route in the dining car. An "interesting" transfer was then made by taxis to the centrally located Holiday Inn - all of the vehicles driving through every red traffic light they encountered at speed (!) - so it was a good job there wasn't much other traffic about at that time on a Monday morning.... We actually had a fairly late start that day (10.00) so there was enough time to seek out the sole trolleybus route in the City - Route K - Operated by Semtur. This was a fair hike from the hotel so we had to be content with some shots in mainly shadows at a downtown road junction...... The vehicles were Marcopolo bodied Volvo (Brazil) trolleybuses. Also in the area was this Mercedes tractor unit...... The main attraction that day was a visit to what is now known as Perez Works, a privatised concern (Complejo Industrial Ferroviario Perez) that was formerly part of the post-Nationalisation Mitre system. Originally built by the FC Central Argentino between 1912 and 1917 it was apparently known as "Gorton Locomotive Works" until 1948! The dereliction of the whole site had to be seen to be believed and it turned out to be a treasurehouse of ancient equipment which had been abandoned in situ - particularly the extensive collection of workshop tools and machines of various sorts. First thing to catch our eye was this storeshed which, as far as is known, is the body of a pre-war Drewry (?) built railcar........ There were a lot of derelict loco hulks around as well, such as this GAIA built type....... ...and an RSD-16...... There were a few hulks of steam locos around as well........ 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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