Porcy Mane Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, micklner said: Yeadon also confirms 985 when numbered 8088 used NE only , in the same photo the Cab is removed and Oval Buffers are fitted. Does Yeadons mention its time working in the Notts coalfield when it was fitted with group standard buffers and the number 985 was clearly visible under the paint? Oh! forgot to mention the spark arrester. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: Does Yeadons mention its time working in the Notts coalfield when it was fitted with group standard buffers and the number 985 was clearly visible under the paint? Oh! forgot to mention the spark arrester. Nothing in Yeadon . RCTS 9B has one small photo of the rear of the the Loco, confirms buffers and chimney, overpainted number not obvious in the photo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetalkinlens Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) There's a bit of history on the Class H in NERA Express Issue 180. Pages 144 to 146. It would be interesting to identify what changes No.1310 has as preserved compared to a NER period H in Wilson Worsdell livery. Vac fitted obviously, but anything else? Edited November 26, 2022 by thetalkinlens 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted November 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: Does Yeadons mention its time working in the Notts coalfield when it was fitted with group standard buffers and the number 985 was clearly visible under the paint? Oh! forgot to mention the spark arrester. interesting, here https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=96875 at Bentinck Colliery. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, tractionman said: interesting, here https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=96875 at Bentinck Colliery. Really good minimum radius if it can negotiate those rails in the foreground of that photo ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, tractionman said: interesting, here And from a few yards further back. A crop from the original, with the numbers showing through. I wonder if Rapido could replicate the sunken rivets? P Edited November 27, 2022 by Porcy Mane 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2022 21 hours ago, Tim Dubya said: Trying to figure out how one of these ended up on an ex- LSWR BLT in Devon/Cornwall in the late 50's 😜 Stunning little model 👍 With the addition of an LCGB or RCTS headboard you can get away with practically anything. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: Really good minimum radius if it can negotiate those rails in the foreground of that photo ! Except that them's not rails me-duck. ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2022 15 hours ago, rapidoandy said: I would recommend vol 32 of Yeadons to anyone interested. I wouldn't. Yeadon misses numerous details - LNER v. NER frames, LNER v. NER brake pulls, front steps, tank-front grabs, etc. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SteveyDee68 Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 26/11/2022 at 09:07, AY Mod said: The North Eastern Railway built six of these locomotives in 1888 to modernise its dockside railways. Classified ‘H’, they were so successful more were built in 1891 and 1897. Even the LNER wanted more, ordering five in 1923. You had me at “dockside”… I’ve been doing so well with my addiction to small shunting locomotives, then you announce this little stunner… Not my region (opposite end of the country) but NE lined black version with numbers removed and a nameplate added from Planet Industrials and I have another colourful “dock shunting engine” to add to the collection… HOURS OF FUN! 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ruston Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 26/11/2022 at 09:07, AY Mod said: The model will have a coreless motor and flywheel for super-smooth slow running as well as NEM coupler pockets and a factory-fitted sound speaker. When are manufacturers going to understand that a flywheel does nothing when it is so small as to be able to fit in such a tiny locomotive? It's all very well fitting a speaker at the factory but what would truly benefit a tiny 0-4-0 is a Stay Alive. If they would fit one of those instead of a useless lump of turned brass then it would be much better for sound and non-sound users. This is a model that I would like to have but the problem with all of these things now is that you need to "pre-order" and stump up the cash without being able to see the thing for real, or to have seen anyone else pull one apart. There's no way of telling if there is space for a SA to be fitted until you open one up. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2022 Definitely need a Stay Alive in something that small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 My kit build does'nt need a stay alive on live frogs. The Y7 has a reasonable 6ft wheelbase. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, micklner said: My kit build does'nt need a stay alive on live frogs. The Y7 has a reasonable 6ft wheelbase. My experience of small locos is a stay alive is needed if sound is used - a momentary loss of supply may not be noticeable in a stealth loco but it definitely is with sound. Chris 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Stay alive is nice but a compensated or sprung non-driven axle should keep all four wheels on the track for constant pickup. My Judith Edge Ruston 48DS has it and rarely stops unless my track gets really filthy. OTOH if you insist on insulfrog… Cheers, David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapido staff rapidoandy Posted November 27, 2022 Rapido staff Share Posted November 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Daddyman said: I wouldn't. Yeadon misses numerous details - LNER v. NER frames, LNER v. NER brake pulls, front steps, tank-front grabs, etc. Oh there’s more than that - however answer the questions about allocations and livery Yeadons was the right recommendation. As ever, not everything is possible in a model but we have tooled a lot of different bits to cater for different variations. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 59 minutes ago, davknigh said: Stay alive is nice but a compensated or sprung non-driven axle should keep all four wheels on the track for constant pickup. My Judith Edge Ruston 48DS has it and rarely stops unless my track gets really filthy. OTOH if you insist on insulfrog… Cheers, David For me, it'll always be mechanism first, I prefer the idea of a flywheel and the DCC and sound stuff can - er - go whistle, but when this came up regarding the Dapol Hawthorn Leslie mention was made of a DCC chip with stay alive on the NGS Hunslet which works on DC. Does anyone have experience of this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2022 Roco have fitted a stay-alive and sound into their DB 333 — a smaller prototype given that it is HO scale. If Rapido are serious about producing a quality model, they need to do the same. I expect that in a loco this size a flywheel will be all but useless anyway. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Can you run a loco with a stay alive on DC ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2022 22 hours ago, Worsdell forever said: This one's an Alexander kit, probably a lot rarer than a Nu-cast one! nice and heavy as it's all whitemetal, runs lovely with it's High Level gearbox. Interesting - I didn't know Dave had done one. As it's whitemetal I suspect a relation to the Stotty version. The #rare# was e bay sarcasm BTW! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, rapidoandy said: As ever, not everything is possible in a model but we have tooled a lot of different bits to cater for different variations. So have you tooled the different frame shapes for NER-built and LNER-built locos? What about the cab rear on 68089? Your artwork shows it with the standard open back, which is wrong. There were at least two iterations for its cab rear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, micklner said: Can you run a loco with a stay alive on DC ? Looking at the NGS DCC guide for their Hunslet (and the ROCO DB333 for that matter) suggests not - in which case it would be a doodad too far for me. Pity. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 4 hours ago, rapidoandy said: Oh there’s more than that - however answer the questions about allocations and livery Yeadons was the right recommendation. As ever, not everything is possible in a model but we have tooled a lot of different bits to cater for different variations. Would that include some form of compensation/springing on one axle for those of us dinosaurs who prefer straight DC? Cheers, David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted November 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Mark Dickerson said: Looking at the NGS DCC guide for their Hunslet (and the ROCO DB333 for that matter) suggests not - in which case it would be a doodad too far for me. Pity. A "traditional" stay alive wont work on DC - in effect it will supply 12v DC to the motor and thereby cause your model to shoot off at top speed! However, I have seen various stay alive variants which claim to work on DC, so I guess it might be possible, given the correct circuitry. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_lner Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Ruston said: When are manufacturers going to understand that a flywheel does nothing when it is so small as to be able to fit in such a tiny locomotive? It's all very well fitting a speaker at the factory but what would truly benefit a tiny 0-4-0 is a Stay Alive. If they would fit one of those instead of a useless lump of turned brass then it would be much better for sound and non-sound users. This is a model that I would like to have but the problem with all of these things now is that you need to "pre-order" and stump up the cash without being able to see the thing for real, or to have seen anyone else pull one apart. There's no way of telling if there is space for a SA to be fitted until you open one up. You can normally pre order from hattons without the need to pay a deposit or the whole amount. But as the price hasn't been confirmed yet it can't be pre ordered at the moment. Regards Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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