RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, County of Yorkshire said: LMS and GWR vans would be the way to go next in my view. Bachmann have a good range of newer tool LNER vans and the SR are well covered with the Rapido SECR van and the Bachmann plywood and 2+2 planked vans which still hold up quite well. LMS vans in particular were very numerous. The ventilated D1832 totalled 3,450 and the unventilated version (D1663) totalled 1,600. That’s over 5,000 very similar vans that could be done with one tooling suite. For the GWR, you’ve got to go with a classic Mica Mink van. Probably a 10ft wb diagram like a V23 (handbrakes) and V24 (vacuum braked), which were very numerous. Bachmann has also done even-planked fitted SR vans, but nobody has (yet) done any of the 9' variants. Bachmann, Dapol and Hornby have all done various GWR Minks/Mogos/Fruit vans but all have inherited excessive width from previous incarnations under other brands. I think manufacturers have fought shy of LMS vans simply because the LMS kept playing about with the bodywork. Almost every new order seemed to be different from the one before. Which do you pick? Hopefully that will change soon. John 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, County of Yorkshire said: ... the SR ... Bachmann plywood and 2+2 planked vans which still hold up quite well. ... With all due respect they might hold up quite well in Yorkshire but not on home soil, they don't : dimensional problems and a VERY dated B.R, chassis. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: That is what I said, as I said! I hadn't seen you said that's what you said when I said you said it. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted November 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2022 28 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: The Parkside 7-plank kit contains alternative ends enabling either type to be constructed. John You mean like this? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: That is what I said, as I said! You don’t say… 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
41516 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 14 hours ago, Compound2632 said: the goods wagon stock changed radically over the 1950s. When you get to the retrofitting of vacuum brakes on stock by BR as part of the modernisation plan you can even pin things down to approximate individual years by the types of buffer replaced*. The change appears to be roughly annually from late 1955 to late 1959, with Spindle with collar, longer spindle, self-contained and the hydraulic/pneumatics. From a modelling perspective (and to stay on-topic, assuming retrofitting of a 10ft wb wagon), it means that for late 1955, you'll have no refitted wagons, late 1956 any refits would have spindles with collars, late 1957 1ft8" replacements, 1958 might have a few with self-contained buffers and then by 1959, Dowty/Oleos. For me, it can really help 'sell' a year modelled in the late 1950s, with just the one relatively small detail. *(details in Wagons of the Middle British Railways Era by David Larkin pg14 & 54) 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 13 hours ago, 57xx said: I hadn't seen you said that's what you said when I said you said it. Good job we're not talking about zed gauge ..... For those of you watching in the USofA that'll be zee gauge and my comment will make no sense. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, 41516 said: When you get to the retrofitting of vacuum brakes on stock by BR as part of the modernisation plan you can even pin things down to approximate individual years by the types of buffer replaced*. The change appears to be roughly annually from late 1955 to late 1959, with Spindle with collar, longer spindle, self-contained and the hydraulic/pneumatics. From a modelling perspective (and to stay on-topic, assuming retrofitting of a 10ft wb wagon), it means that for late 1955, you'll have no refitted wagons, late 1956 any refits would have spindles with collars, late 1957 1ft8" replacements, 1958 might have a few with self-contained buffers and then by 1959, Dowty/Oleos. For me, it can really help 'sell' a year modelled in the late 1950s, with just the one relatively small detail. *(details in Wagons of the Middle British Railways Era by David Larkin pg14 & 54) Generally true, but I understand that not all wagon works switched buffer types at the same time. Some were still fitting collars when others had moved onto new longer spindle buffers and the latter continued to be fitted after Oleos/Dowtys were being used elsewhere. In particular, photographic evidence suggests the self-contained type to have been relatively rare, suggesting that some works may have skipped them altogether. The rate of change varied not only from using up stocks of the previous type, but how long it took before production of the next ones would match total demand. John 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
41516 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Yes, it's very much a generalisation, but the idea is for a model set in 1957, you shouldn't have anything retrofitted with Oleos, for example. Observe your prototype is always the best guide! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 56 minutes ago, 41516 said: ... Observe your prototype is always the best guide! With wagons that's always easier said than done, unfortunately ! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: With wagons that's always easier said than done, unfortunately ! It usually involves close inspection of the margins of photographs. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwmtwrch Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 22 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: Bachmann, Dapol and Hornby have all done various GWR Minks/Mogos/Fruit vans but all have inherited excessive width from previous incarnations under other brands. The Bachmann Mogo is also longer than it should be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cwmtwrch said: The Bachmann Mogo is also longer than it should be. I think they all are. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) On 29/11/2022 at 18:11, County of Yorkshire said: The ventilated D1832 totalled 3,450 and the unventilated version (D1663) totalled 1,600. That’s over 5,000 very similar vans that could be done with one tooling suite. One tooling suite is a bit of a stretch. The bodies would require separate tooling so while admittedly there is saving on the underframe it wouldn't be absolute. The underframes are actually slightly different in terms of some details too which might deter a manufacturer concerned about making them 100% right. Edited December 1, 2022 by Aire Head 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 27, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2023 These are currently in production according to the latest newsletter.The moulding looks very crisp. 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2023 Me likey! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2023 On 27/01/2023 at 19:09, gwrrob said: These are currently in production according to the latest newsletter.The moulding looks very crisp. Just wondering @rapidoandy @RapidoCorbs if these are in transit to the UK yet and will be your next wagon release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapido staff rapidoandy Posted March 31, 2023 Author Rapido staff Share Posted March 31, 2023 They are just about ready for collection from the factory so will be our next release! 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippel Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I have some pages torn from an old edition of MRC with plans of what to my inexperienced eyes are similar to these. One of the photos accompanying the article is of 36639, which is described as a 9' wheelbase but fitted for the continent with vacuum pipes, air piped and extra safety chains. Will an example like this feature in a future run, please? Thanks Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Diagram 1387 - thirty wagons converted thus in 1935 ........ but probably used for general traffic until the ferry service began in October '36. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 11, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2023 On 31/03/2023 at 20:34, rapidoandy said: They are just about ready for collection from the factory so will be our next release! They are imminent according to the Rail's news page today.😉 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted April 11, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2023 47 minutes ago, gwrrob said: They are imminent according to the Rail's news page today.😉 I have spoken to my credit card in soothing tones, as I gather the Accurascale Siphons are getting fairly handy, too.😃 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 11, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: I have spoken to my credit card in soothing tones, as I gather the Accurascale Siphons are getting fairly handy, too.😃 I think stuff will be coming thick and fast from several manufacturers over the next few months. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapido staff rapidoandy Posted April 11, 2023 Author Rapido staff Share Posted April 11, 2023 They have indeed left the factory but it will take a few weeks of them to float their way to us and for us to process them. Plenty of time to persuade you all to order a couple more :-) Thanks Andy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 11, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, rapidoandy said: Plenty of time to persuade you all to order a couple more :-) More ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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