RobMG Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Does anyone here have any idea of BR sand wagon dimensions ? I have one or two old Hornby 27ton iron ore tipplers which are I believe too low. So they don't seem to be any use for anything else I wondered about cutting down the height of the bodies to convert them into sand wagons . Obviously new chassis would be needed. Thank you in advance. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 20, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2022 I realise your intentions, but, I'd go down the Red Panda/Bachmann route, especially as you'll need something like the RP chassis anyway, probably less faff in the long run. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMG Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 Thank you Mike for your reply, I do understand that I can save time by buying them ready or almost ready to run, but i don't paticularly need to save the time. It's good to save the money though. 🙃 I had in mind to use Red Panda chassis, but I actually enjoy modifying existing parts. Hence I have just completed a vanwide by stretching, narrowing and lowering a Hornby example. I made the Oleo buffers, which also I could have bought. they took me a bit of time, but I enjoyed making them. Brass bodies, steel heads. Non sprung. I used a Parkside chassis and roof. It looks pretty good.I had no idea about vanwides until I bought the Hornby one, and was then showered with negative comments. I was told how ridiculous it was to even consider it, when I could go and pay getting on for £50 and save all the bother. Very true of course, but if I hadn't already had the Hornby item, I wouldn't have bothered at all. All I need for the sand wagon is the height of the body sides. I am interested in wagons, and love building them. Goodness knows what I will do with them all. 😀 Anyway Mike thank you again for your reply, I am very grateful. I would post pictures if I could master the complexities of posting on here.. Rob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 20, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RobMG said: Thank you Mike for your reply, I do understand that I can save time by buying them ready or almost ready to run, but i don't paticularly need to save the time. It's good to save the money though. 🙃 I had in mind to use Red Panda chassis, but I actually enjoy modifying existing parts. Hence I have just completed a vanwide by stretching, narrowing and lowering a Hornby example. I made the Oleo buffers, which also I could have bought. they took me a bit of time, but I enjoyed making them. Brass bodies, steel heads. Non sprung. I used a Parkside chassis and roof. It looks pretty good.I had no idea about vanwides until I bought the Hornby one, and was then showered with negative comments. I was told how ridiculous it was to even consider it, when I could go and pay getting on for £50 and save all the bother. Very true of course, but if I hadn't already had the Hornby item, I wouldn't have bothered at all. All I need for the sand wagon is the height of the body sides. I am interested in wagons, and love building them. Goodness knows what I will do with them all. 😀 Anyway Mike thank you again for your reply, I am very grateful. I would post pictures if I could master the complexities of posting on here.. Rob Here you go Rob This dimension is 11mm on the Bachmann 00 wagon Phil Edited April 20, 2022 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMG Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil Bullock said: Here you go Bob This dimension is 11mm on the Bachmann 00 wagon Phil Thank you Phil that is brilliant. I will now go ahead with that little project, and see how I go . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 20, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, RobMG said: Thank you Phil that is brilliant. I will now go ahead with that little project, and see how I go . Welcome! Have done something similar to get Coil Js…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMG Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 47 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: Welcome! Have done something similar to get Coil Js…. That sounds interesting. Any info you have re that would be useful for a future project. cheers Rob ( when I read Bob I chuckled, My missus can't believe anyone called me Bob, But they did when I was a kid, but then for some reason people started calling me Rob 😄 ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMG Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 What makes this more interesting is that BR seem to have converted iron ore tipplers to coil J's. I just found a picture of one. Maybe Hornby built those and BR weren't happy with them 😆 Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Those sort of basic dimensions are readily available in the diagram books (not scale drawings) at the Barrowmore site http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/Prototype.html Paul https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsand 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, RobMG said: What makes this more interesting is that BR seem to have converted iron ore tipplers to coil J's. I just found a picture of one. Maybe Hornby built those and BR weren't happy with them 😆 Rob https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilj Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 20, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, RobMG said: That sounds interesting. Any info you have re that would be useful for a future project. cheers Rob ( when I read Bob I chuckled, My missus can't believe anyone called me Bob, But they did when I was a kid, but then for some reason people started calling me Rob 😄 ) Apologies! I was in two conversations at the same time, the other with RBage… who is Bob! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 20, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, hmrspaul said: Those sort of basic dimensions are readily available in the diagram books (not scale drawings) at the Barrowmore site http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/Prototype.html Paul https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsand Thanks for the reminder @hmrspaul… did search on line but couldn’t find that one, another valuable resource like your site… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SM42 Posted April 20, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 20, 2022 One thing to consider, depending on how fussy you are, is that the end stanchions on the Hornby tipplers are incorrectly spaced. A very cost effective way to make some different wagons whether you replace the stanchions or live with the compromise. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMG Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 20 hours ago, SM42 said: One thing to consider, depending on how fussy you are, is that the end stanchions on the Hornby tipplers are incorrectly spaced. A very cost effective way to make some different wagons whether you replace the stanchions or live with the compromise. Andy Yes I remember reading that somewhere. Unless I can find drawing or judge it from a picture, I will probably live with it. Thanks for reminding me though. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SM42 Posted April 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 21, 2022 Someone within a sand wagon from Bachmann could probably provide the dimensions for the end stanchions . I would but unfortunately mine is 932 miles away at the moment Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMG Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, SM42 said: Someone within a sand wagon from Bachmann could probably provide the dimensions for the end stanchions . I would but unfortunately mine is 932 miles away at the moment Andy I could ask, that is true . Cheers Andy Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMG Posted April 23, 2022 Author Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 21/04/2022 at 19:12, RobMG said: I could ask, that is true . Cheers Andy Rob I solved the problem. As soon as you had reminded me, I could no longer live with it. I thought 'I wonder if I could get the measurements off a mineral wagon. I had a squint, and decided they look about right. So I have worked off that. It was easy to do , no point spoiling the ship for ha'porth of tar eh.... Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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