Dapol OO Gauge Hawthorn Leslie 0-4-0

[Jon Harbour]

6 hours ago, CHerron said:

Could someone with a pre-dcc / sound fitted version please post their CV 2 - 6 settings. My model seems very sluggish accelerating / decelerating and I want to verify the settings before I go changing things.

 

Many thanks

 

Chris

 

Have yet to check the CVs, but mine is also very slow whilst running. Beautifully controllable, but rather slow. Definitely moves at shunting speeds!

[Ruston]

Sevastopol No.7. (Was Invincible). Smokebox door handwheel replaced with one that's to scale. Deep buffer beams, with buffer blocks of the style used at Steel, Peech & Tozer's steel works in Rotherham, added. Tyre edges painted. Weathered.

 

 

 

[jonnyuk]

20 hours ago, Jon Harbour said:

 

Have yet to check the CVs, but mine is also very slow whilst running. Beautifully controllable, but rather slow. Definitely moves at shunting speeds!

i was going to ask the same question, i'm all for slow running but its too slow to be enjoyable, like watching paint dry. i'd like a bit quicker acceleration 

[PaulRhB]

26 minutes ago, jonnyuk said:

i was going to ask the same question, i'm all for slow running but its too slow to be enjoyable, like watching paint dry. i'd like a bit quicker acceleration 

Just read cv3 and then reduce the value a bit. 

[Jon Harbour]

I had to laugh at my local club when I ran mine. It quite correctly triggered the lights on the level crossing when it passed over the optical detector, but was so slow that the flashing sequence had stopped by the time it reached the second detector on the other side and re-triggered it!

[ID10T code]

A semi-serious question for those of you that own two (or more) - have you noticed any significant differences in the running quality of your different models? As I stated in my first post, my first Faraday has had wonderful DC performance straight from the box on my temporary track (an oval, passing loop, 3 short sidings). My second copy of Faraday has required significant running in to get adequate performance and it's still nowhere near as smooth as F1. 

 

The point is now moot however, as last night I decided to stop procrastinating and join the League of Warranty Voiders. I'd been unable to find any lining transfers that fit my requirements so out came the Tamiya masking tape, my paintbrushes, a large drink and a blindfold.

 

Inspired heavily by HL 3860/1935 "Swanscombe No.6", as preserved at Middleton. "Inspired by", as I'm well aware that 3860 is a significantly bigger and later product than Faraday was. It's rough around the edges and the enlarged photos highlight every wobbly line - but for a first attempt it'll do. The etched works and name plates have yet to arrive. 

 

 

 

Now I must strongly resist the urge to buy a third Faraday.

 

Or any of the others.

 

Although the ones in black do look very nice...

 

[Les1952]

My Wearmouth No.8 is now back from Digitrains with its stay-alive fitted.

 

It now crawls very slowly over long dead frogs, and when picked up will continue chuffing with its wheels turning for 3 or 4 seconds.  Cost- about £35.

 

Les

[jonnyuk]

13 hours ago, Les1952 said:

My Wearmouth No.8 is now back from Digitrains with its stay-alive fitted.

 

It now crawls very slowly over long dead frogs, and when picked up will continue chuffing with its wheels turning for 3 or 4 seconds.  Cost- about £35.

 

Les

i did call them but it was months on the waiting list. decide to do it my self and bought the staco3 stays alive, wired in series to the decoder ground and common pads. works a charm, about 15-20 seconds of stay alive. 

well it was good for a couple of days then the stay alive stopped working. i suspect i did not wire them up in series right and they have blown, new ones arriving today.

[Jon Harbour]

On 14/08/2024 at 08:09, Jon Harbour said:

I had to laugh at my local club when I ran mine. It quite correctly triggered the lights on the level crossing when it passed over the optical detector, but was so slow that the flashing sequence had stopped by the time it reached the second detector on the other side and re-triggered it!

 

However, when I attached some wagons, it did work properly, as the last of the wagons was still blocking the initial IR detector!

[Les1952]

Video of Number 8 at a very noisy Loughborough show shunting.  It now passes through the dead frogs on Wilford Road at this speed, rather than the near flat-out it needed before.

 

Layout is "Burch Green"

 

 

Occasional pauses in forwards motion are due to Kadee trip pins catching the rails on pointwork.

 

Les

 

[jonnyuk]

Well my replacement caps arrived, installed without the boiler fitted and ran for hours, fitted the boiler and lasted 5 mins. 99% sure my mistake has been not insulating each wire, I’ve shorted them.

To that end took the loco to the Loughborough show and gave it to coastal dcc to fit. Could be 2 weeks to 2 months.

Edited August 21 by jonnyuk

[Dunsignalling]

My (analogue) one crawls over live frogs without any pi55ing about.

 

Just sayin'.

 

Amazing how half the "electronics freaks" seem scared stiff of a bit of straightforward extra wiring...... 

[roundhouse]

My one runs fine on my high level test track which deliberately has dead frogs (for testing any decoder installs for those who have dead frog turnouts) and works fine but I have yet to test on the layout it is intended for. This layout does have live frogs but oddly the Oxford models Adams Radial does stall on the layout yet runs fine on the test track. I generally dont install stay alives on my OO stock.

[Michael Hodgson]

On 13/08/2024 at 23:09, Jon Harbour said:

I had to laugh at my local club when I ran mine. It quite correctly triggered the lights on the level crossing when it passed over the optical detector, but was so slow that the flashing sequence had stopped by the time it reached the second detector on the other side and re-triggered it!

Not sure about later AHBs crossings but most of the early ones would do just that - when the train strikes in the sequence would start, but if the train took too long getting there, the crossing would clear itself.  If you planned to run a PWay train or similar that would be working in the vicinity you would have to put the crossing into local control ie, get somebody on site to work it and flag trains accordingly. 

 

Crossing may be initiated by a track circuit, but in most cases a treadle depressed by wheels flanges was used.  Position of the strike-in point (treadle) is calculated by reference to maximum line speed and the required time to go through sequence of amber light, flashing reds and lower barriers.  If there was a big difference between fastest and slowest trains normally using the line, additional safeguards had to be built in.

 

 

 

[jonnyuk]

15 hours ago, roundhouse said:

My one runs fine on my high level test track which deliberately has dead frogs (for testing any decoder installs for those who have dead frog turnouts) and works fine but I have yet to test on the layout it is intended for. This layout does have live frogs but oddly the Oxford models Adams Radial does stall on the layout yet runs fine on the test track. I generally dont install stay alives on my OO stock.

Funny you should mention your Adams radial, mine does exactly the same thing over my live frogs. Track has to be spotless. I did change the motor to a coreless and it did improve the running by some margin.

 

[Dunsignalling]

11 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Not sure about later AHBs crossings but most of the early ones would do just that - when the train strikes in the sequence would start, but if the train took too long getting there, the crossing would clear itself.  If you planned to run a PWay train or similar that would be working in the vicinity you would have to put the crossing into local control ie, get somebody on site to work it and flag trains accordingly. 

 

Crossing may be initiated by a track circuit, but in most cases a treadle depressed by wheels flanges was used.  Position of the strike-in point (treadle) is calculated by reference to maximum line speed and the required time to go through sequence of amber light, flashing reds and lower barriers.  If there was a big difference between fastest and slowest trains normally using the line, additional safeguards had to be built in.

 

 

 

 

AHB's have (for many years AIUI) been primarily activated by track circuits, the treadles are just a back-up to protect against TC failures, rail-head contamination etc. 

[zr2498]

I've eventually got around to fitting the stay alive.

 

 

[jonnyuk]

Question time please,

my loco arrived back from having a stay alive fitted. Ran fine for about 5 mins then got stuck going backwards, would not respond to throttle or direction commands. Sound commands still worked.

shut everything off, powered backup and now the loco won’t move, sounds still work fine. Now I would start to think motor but interestingly when I apply throttle I don’t get the sounds of movement. Anyone experienced this? Will setting cv 8 to value 8 reset things? Before I sent it back to the shop for them to look at it want to cover the basics and obvious tests. Thanks 

[Kaput]

On 04/09/2024 at 20:20, jonnyuk said:

Question time please,

my loco arrived back from having a stay alive fitted. Ran fine for about 5 mins then got stuck going backwards, would not respond to throttle or direction commands. Sound commands still worked.

shut everything off, powered backup and now the loco won’t move, sounds still work fine. Now I would start to think motor but interestingly when I apply throttle I don’t get the sounds of movement. Anyone experienced this? Will setting cv 8 to value 8 reset things? Before I sent it back to the shop for them to look at it want to cover the basics and obvious tests. Thanks 

 

I had the same (theres a post in the DCC section). Try reprogramming the address.

[jonnyuk]

12 minutes ago, Kaput said:

 

I had the same (theres a post in the DCC section). Try reprogramming the address.

think i found that earlier today. i had reset cv 8>8 last night and  did not work. i did the same tonight and it worked, go figure