Class 31, by Accurascale - It's time 2 Brush Up!

[bradfordbuffer]

18 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

Given that the inlet and exhaust make a big difference to the sound of any ICE then I'd say yes. Wouldn't bother me personally anyway, not being a particular fan of sound in locos.

That will save you around a hundred quid then!😆

[MikeParkin65]

35 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Yes, but how many of us can tell the difference in noise between one diesel and the next? 

OK, I could tell a deltic when I heard it (4 miles away!), or a gronk from a mail line loco, but mostly one main line loco sounds pretty much the same as another to me.

That’s just not true for me at least. When I park up at Kidderminster for their gala I can always tell what’s ticking over at the platform before I see it.  

[Michael Hodgson]

38 minutes ago, Damo666 said:

Our Labradoodle knows the sound of my Honda and my wife's Peugeot 208 from 5 houses away and sits eagerly whimpering at the door for our respective arrival. Even regognises both sister-in-law’s Dacia and Peugeot 107, we know we have a visitor before they have parked the car.

 

Haven't tested the dog with a Class 30 Mirless yet.

 

Are you sisters in law  allowed to park their class 30 in the street then ?  🤣

[Michael Hodgson]

38 minutes ago, bradfordbuffer said:

That will save you around a hundred quid then!😆

 

Actually the saving is generally not quite that great if you use DCC control as you still have to buy an ordinary decoder.

[bradfordbuffer]

1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Yes, but how many of us can tell the difference in noise between one diesel and the next? 

OK, I could tell a deltic when I heard it (4 miles away!), or a gronk from a mail line loco, but mostly one main line loco sounds pretty much the same as another to me.

Never confused a pair of 20s for a 56! ....but I'm deaf in left ear from 34 years of driving with the window open

[philg]

1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Yes, but how many of us can tell the difference in noise between one diesel and the next? 

OK, I could tell a deltic when I heard it (4 miles away!), or a gronk from a mail line loco, but mostly one main line loco sounds pretty much the same as another to me.

Hard hat on. Prepare for avalanche!  I could tell EVERY pre-TOPS diesel by its sound. Sorry

[zr2498]

I have a strong belief, that Accurascale would not have offered the Class 30 sound decoder unless they were satisfied that it was a close presentation of the Mirrlees engine coupled with the 30 application.

To me, it sounds excellent albeit I am no expert. I put my trust in the sound specialists, and I am grateful that Accurascale have put the effort into making this available to us. Thanks Acc'

 

[atom3624]

I think more-modern - call it post 1980 - locomotives are similar to more-modern cars - post 1980 as well.

 

I used to play a game in the late 60's whereby we'd sit in the Viva HA's boot and the other would 'spot' / define, he who hid guessed the car - 4 from 5 we would get right!

 

Class 25, 40, 47 typical of my region were pretty distinctive, but nowadays it is less easy to 'guess the loco' from the sound.

 

That all said, if you're paying £100-150 for a DCC Sound card, or more I suppose, I would expect it to be 'prototypically correct', and wouldn't be impressed for it to be of the incorrect engine.

 

I hate 'unsynchronised chuffs', but that's another thing ....

 

Al.

[rob D2]

10 minutes ago, atom3624 said:

I think more-modern - call it post 1980 - locomotives are similar to more-modern cars - post 1980 as well.

 

I used to play a game in the late 60's whereby we'd sit in the Viva HA's boot and the other would 'spot' / define, he who hid guessed the car - 4 from 5 we would get right!

 

Class 25, 40, 47 typical of my region were pretty distinctive, but nowadays it is less easy to 'guess the loco' from the sound.

 

That all said, if you're paying £100-150 for a DCC Sound card, or more I suppose, I would expect it to be 'prototypically correct', and wouldn't be impressed for it to be of the incorrect engine.

 

I hate 'unsynchronised chuffs', but that's another thing ....

 

Al.

I’d guess “ class 66 “ and probably be right most of the time !

[45125]

1 hour ago, zr2498 said:

I have a strong belief, that Accurascale would not have offered the Class 30 sound decoder unless they were satisfied that it was a close presentation of the Mirrlees engine coupled with the 30 application.

To me, it sounds excellent albeit I am no expert. I put my trust in the sound specialists, and I am grateful that Accurascale have put the effort into making this available to us. Thanks Acc'

 

Many things can alter the noise an engine will make, who set the thing up, is it new/tired condition, exhaust system, inlet system etc. As the co owner of a 12LDA28B powered loco that has a modified exhaust system it is a lot quieter than some of its unmodified sisters.

[atom3624]

Another 'earlier oversight' of mine, again from English Electric, and not 'Tractors', but that unmistakable sound of 36 cylinders when both 1650 bhp engines fired up in the Deltics!

That era had many very distinctive sounds, so back to original thinking, it's probably right to option between both engines - could there not be one sound card with both sounds as options on it?

This would save of production costs surely?

 

Al.

[Zunnan]

7 minutes ago, atom3624 said:

- could there not be one sound card with both sounds as options on it?

This would save of production costs surely?

 

Al.

 

I'm not sure about now, but that used to be standard practice on US decoders I was using. One decoder for EMD prime movers, one decoder for GE, then go through the CVs to alter which prime mover you wanted. I can't say they were overly good though as each prime mover file ate up memory on the decoder so the end results were rather compressed and didn't well represent the different machinery.

[Steadfast]

3 hours ago, rob D2 said:

I’d guess “ class 66 “ and probably be right most of the time !

And low emission ones sound different to the earlier ones 😉

 

Jo 

[NHY 581]

8 hours ago, spamcan61 said:

The inlet and exhaust systems will surely make a significant difference to the sound.

 

Okay but what are we measuring Accurascale's version against ? 

 

Rob

[Islesy]

2 hours ago, atom3624 said:

could there not be one sound card with both sounds as options on it?

Memory capacity is the trouble here - at H we discussed this option for a Class 73 TTS option running on DC/Diesel and it proved problematic (and that was within the less intensive sound recording structure of TTS chips)

 

All the best,

Paul

[atom3624]

Interesting discussion and thank you for the reply.

I suppose it depends how much detail you wish to go into, and also confirms A/Scale's commitment to the same.

 

Al.

[newbryford]

4 hours ago, Zunnan said:

 

I'm not sure about now, but that used to be standard practice on US decoders I was using. One decoder for EMD prime movers, one decoder for GE, then go through the CVs to alter which prime mover you wanted. I can't say they were overly good though as each prime mover file ate up memory on the decoder so the end results were rather compressed and didn't well represent the different machinery.

 

Have a look at TCS Wowsound decoders. They use a micro SD memory card that plugs into a 21 pin sized decoder. 30 minutes of sounds.  I can't recall how many prime movers, Alco, GE, GM, Baldwin, with with/ without turbo, different  bells, horns etc, but there are many on one card.

And selection of such sounds (and function output operation) is carried out via voice prompts called Audio Assist. 

This is the list of sounds on a single decoder!

https://drupal.tcsdcc.com/DV4Prime

Edited Saturday at 22:58 by newbryford

[Michael Hodgson]

9 hours ago, philg said:

Hard hat on. Prepare for avalanche!  I could tell EVERY pre-TOPS diesel by its sound. Sorry

 

Then your lugs (and your memory) are definitely better than mine!

[Captain Kernow]

When I was a relief train crew supervisor at Preston, I used to be able to distinguish the Saltley men fairly accurately, by their accent. Does that count?

 

[bradfordbuffer]

5 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

When I was a relief train crew supervisor at Preston, I used to be able to distinguish the Saltley men fairly accurately, by their accent. Does that count?

 

Yep that's true.....BUT!...I was a Saltley seagull...(coast to coast and sxxxxx on everyone) but I am a scouser exile from Liverpool......so the theory is sound but the execution is flawed 😄

[45125]

8 hours ago, bradfordbuffer said:

Yep that's true.....BUT!...I was a Saltley seagull...(coast to coast and sxxxxx on everyone) but I am a scouser exile from Liverpool......so the theory is sound but the execution is flawed 😄

Spot on there , some of the Saltley guys I had the pleasure of working came from places along with the indigenous West Midlands folk.

[ERIC ALLTORQUE]

In the cabinet at Darlington show

[Wayne 56089]

The really do look the business!!! 
 

Really defined front end detail that seems to have been lost on the Bachmann one.

 

We just need one of the Accurascale guys now to give us the magical words, they are off the ship and on the way to our warehouse!!! 

[Krieghoff]

I am absolutely itching got get my hands on my 5 that I've ordered. I have two of the blue ones on order and these photos only serve to make me more eager to get my mitts on them and get them on the layout. 
 

They just look superb and whilst i have a railfreight red stripe on order with another competitor, im sure that the Accurascale model will be the definitive class 30/31.  

[JaymzHatstand]

I've had the domestic authorities on alert that sometime (hopefully) in the near future, Postman Pat will be tipping up with a very big box! I've done the sensible thing and made it known that it has been paid for a long time ago so will not impact on the current cashflow whatsoever, so I should be pretty safe!

 

These are the perils of a doorbell camera, even when she's not home, she knows if something is delivered, or if I come home from the model shop with something of any significant size! I'm not sure how well I'll be able to hide all of the 16 tonners when they land!

 

I am very much looking forward to Charybdis arriving, especially after having a rather pleasant ride behind the real one recently, with my 3 year old son saying 'you should get one of these for your room!' At least this time I was able to agree without fear of reprisal!

 

 

The photos above look lovely, though the sign in the background requesting 'No Spitting', though obviously sensible, in the case of these should read 'No Drooling'.  Mind, that is a challenge!

 

Cheers

 

J