RMweb Gold Popular Post highpeakman Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Recently I discovered an old roll of undeveloped 120 black and white film in a drawer. I have just had it developed and it had some surprises, not least that the pictures were mostly legible although, not surprisingly poor quality. I am well aware of the poor quality and am currently looking at various software packages to clean them up and I am in a learning curve of using them myself so it will take time (THese pics are untouched). It is difficult as I am finding that, so far, software that removes the "speckles" also tends to blur detail. I guess that Photoshop might be an answer to the problem but that would be too expensive a solution for me. I think the film dates from 1962-64. Pictures include a trainspotting visit to Crewe station (most pics of Electrics, looking back I wonder why I took those when steam was still working!), a school visit to Doncaster Works (lots of diesels and a 9F) and a school visit to either Hindlow (or Dowlow) quarry in Derbyshire ( Lots of quarry detail but no trains). I admit to being surprised to find a picture of a Warship at Crewe (I don't remember seeing it there, a sign of my age!). I guess that would be on a working from Shrewsbury? (or possibly Chester?) Also the picture of a Clayton class 17, presumably new but possibly on repair, at Clayton Works. Is that the Hatton works of Clayton? Picture of a Coronation at Crewe. It's what I would have gone to see so the poor quality of that picture is a disappointment plus the fact that I cannot identify it. That might be a reversed image. Picture of a Woodhead Electric - no idea where that would have been taken. Some pictures may have been taken travelling from Nottingham to Crewe? I attach the following pictures to ask if anyone can help me date the photos please (or any other info or comment?). Again, apologies for porr quality. Edited February 23, 2022 by highpeakman Changed the picture of Duchess at Crewe 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post russ p Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2022 Wow, that's not a regular Clayton it's the VERY camera shy DHP1 I believe that was built in 1964 4 20 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dhjgreen Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, highpeakman said: I guess that Photoshop might be an answer to the problem but that would be too expensive a solution for me. Have a look at GIMP, it does much of what Photoshop does and is freeware. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted February 23, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, russ p said: Wow, that's not a regular Clayton it's the VERY camera shy DHP1 I believe that was built in 1964 Thanks very much indeed for pointing that out. I wouldn't have known as I don't remember that loco at all and had to look it up on line. A very interesting type 3 hydraulic. Painted red with cream top but doesn't appear to have worked much, if at all, on the main line. Short lived. Glad I got something interesting on that trip anyway! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted February 23, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, dhjgreen said: Have a look at GIMP, it does much of what Photoshop does and is freeware. Yes, I am aware of GIMP and have it loaded on my PC. However I am finding it very hard work to learn to use though (and it appears that I am not the only one). Even the manual is difficult to use. Trying to get rid of marks, scratches and noise without ruining detail too much is a learning and slow process with any software but GIMP, while undoubtably very capable indeed, is not so user friendly to use for such a process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2022 The Coronation looks like it's taken from the south end of Platform 5, and is reversed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 With regard to the Warship you might find this RMweb thread interesting. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 The photo of the Woodhead loco shows OHLE mast number 41 over 78 on the right. I don't know the numbering convention on that line, but on some lines it was in format mileage/mast number, and if that applies here that should identify location and if somebody knows where they measured from - Manchester London Road in the post-war electrification? If so Sheffield Victoria is about the 40 mile mark. Must admit I was also suprised to see a Warship at Crewe. I didn't drivers there would be familiar with the hydraulics, so presumably something they'd want to return to the WR asap. I don't think any software will help legibility much, as removing speckles is a matter of interpolating from adjacent pixels, it will just look cleaner by removing the white spots. I assume it is caused by dust. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted February 23, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, bécasse said: With regard to the Warship you might find this RMweb thread interesting. Yes indeed. Thank you very much for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 45 minutes ago, Jeremy C said: The Coronation looks like it's taken from the south end of Platform 5, and is reversed. No it isn't. The battery box for the AWS was on the fireman's side, as here. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike_Walker Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: Must admit I was also suprised to see a Warship at Crewe. I didn't drivers there would be familiar with the hydraulics, so presumably something they'd want to return to the WR asap. Back in the day, Warships were daily visitors to Crewe where the took over trains on the north-to-west route via Shrewsbury. 8 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted February 23, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: The photo of the Woodhead loco shows OHLE mast number 41 over 78 on the right. I don't know the numbering convention on that line, but on some lines it was in format mileage/mast number, and if that applies here that should identify location and if somebody knows where they measured from - Manchester London Road in the post-war electrification? If so Sheffield Victoria is about the 40 mile mark. Must admit I was also suprised to see a Warship at Crewe. I didn't drivers there would be familiar with the hydraulics, so presumably something they'd want to return to the WR asap. I don't think any software will help legibility much, as removing speckles is a matter of interpolating from adjacent pixels, it will just look cleaner by removing the white spots. I assume it is caused by dust. Thanks for the info about the OHLE mast number, I will try to follow that up. I am having a real problem remembering where I took this photo. The only thing I can think off is that the same film has pics of a school visit to Doncaster Works and I wonder if we travelled from Nottingham to Doncaster via the GC and Sheffiield Victoria. I do wish my recall was better than it is! The "speckling" is a function of ageing on the film rather than dust I think as I have only just received them back from the processor. Sitting, undeveloped, in a drawer for 60 years would not have helped (5 years before I started wotk and 12 years after I retired!). It was something that I would rediscover from time to time and always meant to do something with but never quite got around to doing. I think, in later years, I always thought it would be a waste of time to process it and that it would require some expensive special processing. That's not the case as it finally turned out. Thanks for your interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim V Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 You were lucky to recover those images, this picture of Bath Green Park was taken C1976, and was eventually processed about 12 years ago - it makes for an atmospheric shot though! 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted February 23, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tim V said: You were lucky to recover those images, this picture of Bath Green Park was taken C1976, and was eventually processed about 12 years ago - it makes for an atmospheric shot though! It's always interesting to see such pictures as they still provide a lot of detail and memories even if the quality is not what it once was. I have visited this site in recent years and it is now nothing like as interesting as it used to be! At least something was kept. This shot also served as a useful reminder of owning my Triumph Vitesse! (And, at least, three different versions of that Cortina). Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) The white specks do look like dust to me, it's worth giving them a good clean, maybe even washing them in tepid water and hanging them to dry with a clothes peg. Old film tends to develop larger grain as it ages, and may lose contrast as well. The best place to store old film is in a cool place like the fridge. Edited February 23, 2022 by rodent279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 What a cracking set of pictures... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted February 23, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, rodent279 said: The white specks do look like dust to me, it's worth giving them a good clean, maybe even washing them in tepid water and hanging them to dry with a clothes peg. Old film tends to develop larger grain as it ages, and may lose contrast as well. The best place to store old film is in a cool place like the fridge. Thanks for your suggestions. As I said though the film has only just been returned from the processor so I can only assume it is an effect on the film itself. I was very careful with it and put it straight into the scanner after removing it from the negative protector. (The scanner is clean). I am ashamed to say that it has not been looked after during its 60 years of waiting to be developed and was not kept in any canister or light proof container because i had assumed many years ago that it was ruined. However, I will look again and wash to see if it has any effect. Edited February 23, 2022 by highpeakman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted February 23, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gilbert said: What a cracking set of pictures... Not brilliant but they were a nice surprise for me. Anyone got an exact fix on the year please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: The photo of the Woodhead loco shows OHLE mast number 41 over 78 on the right. I don't know the numbering convention on that line, but on some lines it was in format mileage/mast number, and if that applies here that should identify location and if somebody knows where they measured from - Manchester London Road in the post-war electrification? If so Sheffield Victoria is about the 40 mile mark. Must admit I was also suprised to see a Warship at Crewe. I didn't drivers there would be familiar with the hydraulics, so presumably something they'd want to return to the WR asap. I don't think any software will help legibility much, as removing speckles is a matter of interpolating from adjacent pixels, it will just look cleaner by removing the white spots. I assume it is caused by dust. According to a recent-ish Quail Map the remains of Sheffield Victoria are at 41 miles 22 chains and the zero is indeed at London Road. It's highly unlikely that the route has been re-miled. A 1948 map from NLS shows Bridgehouses sidings to the west, but they are more than 22 chains from Victoria so if the supports are numbered in this way their prefix would be 40. Therefore I'd suggest somewhere in the various sidings around Nunnery Junction. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 8 hours ago, russ p said: Wow, that's not a regular Clayton it's the VERY camera shy DHP1 I believe that was built in 1964 Is that the one KR Models are making? https://www.krmodels.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=62 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, Colin_McLeod said: Is that the one KR Models are making? https://www.krmodels.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=62 It is 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) DHP1 ran on trials from July 1963 to March 1964. It was then stored in the factory yard. After a short period as a works shunter at another site it was scrapped in 1966. Edited February 23, 2022 by TheSignalEngineer 2 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 The EM1 pic seems to have (from memory) Bernard Road council chimney in the background, so somewhere as previously mentioned in the Blast Lane/City Goods/Nunnery area, looking north from a moving train as it's not off the platform end. Mike. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2022 Warships had a regular run into Crewe in the 1960s on a Plymouth - Manchester train IIRC. The loco used to return to the WR on the same day. The Duchess is of course no later than Summer 1964 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcm@gwr Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, highpeakman said: This shot also served as a useful reminder of owning my Triumph Vitesse! (And, at least, three different versions of that Cortina). Thanks. Although that is a Triumph Herald 13/60! Edited February 24, 2022 by jcm@gwr surplus word! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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