EddieB Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Given the bans enforced on spectators bringing liquids through the security gates, can they not also prevent smoke flares? What a complete farce on the formation lap. I pity those who paid good money to see nothing but a wall of orange smoke. (Less seriously, was that Dyatlov from the Chernobyl series receiving the Ferrari team trophy at the presentation? Apt perhaps, given Sainz’s fire). 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Disappointing to hear of the abuse from a small minority group of fans at the race, shocking stories coming out including a group of fans pulling up a woman's skirt because she was a Hamilton fan. These people have no place in society and the F1 grandstands 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 8 hours ago, Oldddudders said: A reasonable guess is that the perpetrators are not Austrian…. While I have sympathy that suspicion falls on the sections that cheered Hamilton's crash, I know several whose direct experiences wouldn't absolve the "home side" either. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 Well said 37114. Totally unacceptable. Unfortunately those luddites will get away with it in such a large crowd. We are in the 21st century, not the 19th or 20th! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 10 hours ago, didcot said: We are in the 21st century, not the 19th or 20th! When the use of CCTV is extensive, i suspect many of these crimes will have been caught on camera and could be prosecuted, if there was the will from the promoters. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 We saw lots of warnings given for breaching track limits & some black & white flags shown. We also saw at least 1 time deleted. That is meaningless during the race. These slaps on the wrists will do nothing until someone actually gets penalised for going wide. If they did, I missed it. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share Posted July 11, 2022 A couple of drivers had 5 second penalties for going off track more than they are allowed. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Track limits needs a better way of policing it. It's a continuous thing now at some tracks and even then they only choose certain corners to watch it on. That whole area of the rulebook needs looking at. Maybe some way of using technology to police it and provide a deterrent. Personally, make the kerbs less than a car's width wide and then part of the racetrack. A strip of gravel or grass straight after them so that if you go all wheels off the racetrack you'll have much less grip. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, LNERandBR said: Track limits needs a better way of policing it. It's a continuous thing now at some tracks and even then they only choose certain corners to watch it on. That whole area of the rulebook needs looking at. Maybe some way of using technology to police it and provide a deterrent. Personally, make the kerbs less than a car's width wide and then part of the racetrack. A strip of gravel or grass straight after them so that if you go all wheels off the racetrack you'll have much less grip. There is a way to prevent cars exceeding track limits. It works well at Monaco....... 😉 Edited July 11, 2022 by newbryford 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Yes and there's no racing at all, just a high speed procession. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, Hobby said: Yes and there's no racing at all, just a high speed procession. Monaco is a procession because it's so narrow and short. No long straights and a comically short DRS zone. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 I was making the comment that your solution (enclosing the track either fences as Monaco) doesn't work. They need a deterent but one that doesn't lead to broken cars if they exceed limits, fencing is not the solution as Monaco shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hobby said: I was making the comment that your solution (enclosing the track either fences as Monaco) doesn't work. They need a deterent but one that doesn't lead to broken cars if they exceed limits, fencing is not the solution as Monaco shows. Jeddah has lots of concrete walls and lots of overtaking. Monaco is actually a bad example. Even if the Monaco circuit was recreated in an open space without walls and run offs, it would still be a procession. Maybe I should have put a 😉 on my OP? 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Fencing creates more of a challenge as you end up with more race suspending accidents due to the car not having lost any meaningful amount of speed before impact, Mick Schumacher can provide evidence of that in both Monaco and Jeddah. The reason Monaco doesn't work for racing is it is too narrow and tight, if you were to barrier Austria all the way round you would still have had a reasonable level of overtaking except for the Alonso Tsunoda move as Fernando would have been in the barrier rather than keeping his boot in on the grass... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 Kitty Litter all the way. You can't "accidentally" gain an advantage in gravel... 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 2 hours ago, LNERandBR said: Track limits needs a better way of policing it. It's a continuous thing now at some tracks and even then they only choose certain corners to watch it on. That whole area of the rulebook needs looking at. Maybe some way of using technology to police it and provide a deterrent. Personally, make the kerbs less than a car's width wide and then part of the racetrack. A strip of gravel or grass straight after them so that if you go all wheels off the racetrack you'll have much less grip. Well that's pretty much like circuits used to be. The easy runoff means that a car running a bit wide is less likely to lose control and crash, potentially picking up other cars as it spins. There's the "rougher tarmac" idea that penalises running wide through hurting the tyres, but since that's most obvious in the eye-gouging horror that's Paul Ricard it clearly has its own problems... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, PeterStiles said: Kitty Litter all the way. You can't "accidentally" gain an advantage in gravel... Certainly would have prevented Sainz from using the pit exit on lap 1 to get by George ...... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, PeterStiles said: Kitty Litter all the way. You can't "accidentally" gain an advantage in gravel... First team to turn up with a rally car will be... :D 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 42 minutes ago, Reorte said: First team to turn up with a rally car will be... :D Probably Fernando. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2022 Just heard on the radio that Bernie Ecclestone has been charged with Fraud by false representation, apparently part of a long running HMRC investigation into his £400,000,000 overseas assets. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, chris p bacon said: Just heard on the radio that Bernie Ecclestone has been charged with Fraud by false representation, apparently part of a long running HMRC investigation into his £400,000,000 overseas assets. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/62119689 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, chris p bacon said: Just heard on the radio that Bernie Ecclestone has been charged with Fraud by false representation, apparently part of a long running HMRC investigation into his £400,000,000 overseas assets. Why is that not a surprise, from the guy who paid to have a fraud trial disappear... Edited July 11, 2022 by 57xx 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Gareth Collier said: If anyone was going to slip weights into their overalls it would be when they jump into the mechanics to celebrate immediately after they get out of the car, not a very obvious physio on their own. Ridiculous. I might be misremembering, but I'm sure there used to be a rule to say that the drivers should have no physical contact with anyone after getting out of the car and before weighing. The reason I think that is because I recall thinking about why they kept letting the drivers do their celebration jumps over the railings. I know of certain teams in another racing discipline who got caught swapping identically painted helmets with extra weight in at the end of the track to cheat weight tests, so that sort of cheating does go on. Edit: here you go, a very recent reference to it: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1005413/1/strict-f1-rule-which-prevented-anyone-helping-hamilton-out-his-car Edited July 11, 2022 by 57xx 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 5 hours ago, LNERandBR said: Track limits needs a better way of policing it. It's a continuous thing now at some tracks and even then they only choose certain corners to watch it on. That whole area of the rulebook needs looking at. Maybe some way of using technology to police it and provide a deterrent. Personally, make the kerbs less than a car's width wide and then part of the racetrack. A strip of gravel or grass straight after them so that if you go all wheels off the racetrack you'll have much less grip. And kick up a dust so that there is NO disputing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 11, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Andrew P said: And kick up a dust so that there is NO disputing. Waits for something like this: 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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