RMweb Premium MJI Posted August 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2021 Firstly what are the differences? Secondly any ideas on numbers? Thanks Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Probably not too helpful, but Martin Goodall covered the alterations to the Airfix kit in MRJ Issues 24 and 25, but I couldn't find further reference on the net. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Paint them brown and cream! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted August 28, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2021 They will be BR livery so could be just different numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2021 Not sure what the differences were, but the basic wagon was the same. Possible; spoked wheels, different buffers, different clasps and locks for doors. Livery, obviously, or renumbering to W prefix if you are modelling a BR liveried ex-GW wagon. It is essential in this case to ensure that you provide the correct BR liveried ex-GW cattle... Your livery comment came while I was typing. I can recommend John Isherwood's transfers for this job. HMRSPaul can probably help with numbers, or Ms P's site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Different doors, wheelbase, brakes, slats in lower sides, axleguards, buffers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2021 So nothing much, then? Great to have you back, madam. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted August 28, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Miss Prism said: Different doors, wheelbase, brakes, slats in lower sides, axleguards, buffers. You're back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Miss Prism said: Different doors, wheelbase, brakes, slats in lower sides, axleguards, buffers. And load them with Herefords, South Devon brown or pedigree Dexters - not English Longhorns, Ayrshires or Highland cattle! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted August 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Miss Prism said: Different doors, wheelbase, brakes, slats in lower sides, axleguards, buffers. See old Railway Modeller magazines - the subject was comprehensively covered there. ... no, at this time of night, I'm not going to find out in which particular issues it was covered. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Maybe my memory is failing but I have a vague recollection that the roof pitch might have been slightly different too, given that the Airfix wagon was of a standard BR design based closely on, but not a precise copy of, the GWR design, although by probably not so much as to worry about on a model. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted August 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, bécasse said: Maybe my memory is failing but I have a vague recollection that the roof pitch might have been slightly different too, given that the Airfix wagon was of a standard BR design based closely on, but not a precise copy of, the GWR design, although by probably not so much as to worry about on a model. I think that you are correct in that. CJI. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted August 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2021 I followed the MRJ article for mine, from memory sorting the slats was the worst part. I had parts for 3 of them but didn’t fancy repeating it after the first! if there is ever a second batch advertised id rather do the Warren Sheppard etched kit that was released last year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted August 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2021 I followed the MRJ article for mine, from memory sorting the slats was the worst part. I had parts for 3 of them but didn’t fancy repeating it after the first! if there is ever a second batch advertised id rather do the Warren Sheppard etched kit that was released last year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted August 28, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just raided Ebay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 hours ago, bécasse said: Maybe my memory is failing but I have a vague recollection that the roof pitch might have been slightly different too, given that the Airfix wagon was of a standard BR design based closely on, but not a precise copy of, the GWR design, although by probably not so much as to worry about on a model. I imagine this would only be a problem if there are BR and GW examples on the layout at the same time, if the difference is very slight. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adriank Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Details of the differences were given in an article by Steve Banks in the September 2003 issue of Model Rail. He suggests the model body is a hybrid of the last GWR design and the first BR one. The article describes how he modified the kit and added detail. The author lists the numbers allocated to the BR wagons built at Swindon between 1951 and 1953. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 The B.R. standard cattle wagon was a Swindon development of the G.W.R. W12 van. As mentioned above the main differences were in wheelbase, axleboxes/W irons, and roof profile. A couple of years back I was attempting to interest a couple of our 7mm scale manufacturers in producing a model and put together a document describing these vans. I'll attempt to attach the Word document rather than repeat it all. Ray. GWR & B.R. Cattle Wagon information..docx 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60526 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Too late to do anything about the scan, but is this any good? Charliewagon_GWR_cattle.pdf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted August 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 60526 said: Too late to do anything about the scan, but is this any good? Charliewagon_GWR_cattle.pdf Beat me to it - that's the one I was referring to. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted August 29, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 29, 2021 I have ordered the two MRJs and downloaded the PDF Thanks everyone I currently have 4 BR to paint and a few more on low bids. Aming for 2 or 3 late GWR rest BR. Will be for Brocolli Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 There is a diagram showing the necessary modification of the ends and roof in 'Railway Modeller' November 1974 p317 (in the ROTM article). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted August 30, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 30, 2021 I found a decentish Cooper Craft W5 as well, transfers have yellowed so happy to strip and repaint. I Thought I had one, also found a broken MOGO I am going to BRise as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2021 So the Airfix as is can do the BR and last GWR versions Roof mods the prewar CC the W5 But really need to use real photos to get them right. For now will be 4 BR (W18), 1 late GWR (not sure which) and 1 W5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
watfordtmc Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Although now both long out of print I’m afraid, a couple of references you might want to look out for are: The 4mm Wagon Part 2, by Geoff Kent, which includes Cattle Vans; has a selection of images of BR and GW vehicles, and also describes Geoff’s work with the Airfix and Cooper Craft kits. Also, British Railway Wagons Cattle & Brake Vans, compiled by G. Gamble. One image of a GW W12 (in BR livery), two of BR 1/352’s and three of BR 1/353’s including a colour image of B894149, built in 1952 and already condemned in 1966. References The 4mm Wagon Part 2, General Merchandise Vans, Special Purpose Vans and Tank Wagons, Kent G, Wild Swan (Didcot 1995), pp57-79 for the whole discussion on Cattle Vans. Railways in Profile Series No 5, British Railways Wagons Cattle & Brake Vans, comp Gamble G, Cheona Publications (Chinnor) 1997. Regards TMc 03/09/2021 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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