LNER early livery

[JohnnyMarr]

I’m modelling a layout based on Woodhead set between 1923 and 1928. I’m trying to get my head around the liveries applied to locos at this time. I’ve read that all freight locos were painted in black with red lining with LNER and number on the tender till 1928. So here’s the question, did all have red lining or were some plain black? Obviously it’s hard to find clear pictures from the era. I’ve got both Bachmann O4 and J11 and I’m wondering whether it’s prototypical to re livery then in plain black with ‘LNER’ and the number on the tender or whether I’d need to line them aswell which is obviously much more difficult. Other question is, was there anything on the cab sides at this time? 
Thanks in advance! 

[JohnnyMarr]

Here is a picture of a J11 I found. Can’t see the lining but it isn’t the best picture

[jwealleans]

It's hard to tell, I'm afraid as the photographs of the time didn't often pick up the red lining, as you've found.    However there are enough which do show it - especially ex-works shots - to suggest that it was generally done.  The best giveaway is the white lining round the front buffer beam. 

 

You could line - it's not hard with a Bob Moore pen and certainly not with transfers - or take the heavy weathering approach and just make your locos too filthy to tell. 

 

Some builders plates were on cab sides, but they were just as likely to be plain.  You could opt for a GC livery with the cabside number plate for variety.

[Wickham Green too]

....... but a lot of locos would have retained G.C.R. livery well into that period, anyway.

[JohnnyMarr]

2 hours ago, jwealleans said:

It's hard to tell, I'm afraid as the photographs of the time didn't often pick up the red lining, as you've found.    However there are enough which do show it - especially ex-works shots - to suggest that it was generally done.  The best giveaway is the white lining round the front buffer beam. 

 

You could line - it's not hard with a Bob Moore pen and certainly not with transfers - or take the heavy weathering approach and just make your locos too filthy to tell. 

 

Some builders plates were on cab sides, but they were just as likely to be plain.  You could opt for a GC livery with the cabside number plate for variety.

Good idea, I think hmrs so lining transfers, I might have a go one my J11. It’s strange that Bachmann haven’t done either loco in early LNER, maybe the lining process made it too expensive? The problem I suppose is finding reference photos, maybe I can find a picture of a model that I can reference. Or copy the positioning of the lining on the GCR liveried models but in LNER style. I did manage to find a few more pictures and it does seem like they’re lined

[JohnnyMarr]

18 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

....... but a lot of locos would have retained G.C.R. livery well into that period, anyway.

Yes I did think of this, I did read somewhere that the GCR simplified their livery on some locos in 1916, but I’m not sure what that looked like

[Steamport Southport]

33 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

....... but a lot of locos would have retained G.C.R. livery well into that period, anyway.

 

That's easily solved if you've got the relevant Yeadons Register. They have the works visits in them.

 

Volume 45.

 

Try Book Law as they had them on offer.

 

 

Jason