wainwright1 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I got my Calbourne yesterday, and that curves up towards the front buffer beam on both sides. I manipulated it slightly each side and that seemed to improve the appearance have not had a chance to test run it yet. Ray 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Mo Arts Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) Hi folks, just to say that many of the real O2s had dips in the running plates, and this model was produced from scans of W24 at the Isle of Wight Steam Railway, so if anything it's prototypical: The dip was particularly visible on W28, as can be seen in this photo above the front steps: My new O2 model looks great and from a normal viewing distance, any dip in the running plate is hard to spot, if it's even there at all! Cheers Edited August 19, 2021 by J-Mo Arts 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I recently received a book on the IOW railways for my birthday. Front cover picture shows an unidentified 02 with running plate that definitely rises at the front, at least four further pictures show such distortion. I had to look closely to see the distortion on my shop display model of "Chale", although it is evident on the photo one of my earlier posts. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 18/08/2021 at 07:05, Chris Wood said: Under the fluorescent lighting the colour variation is noticeable. I will check this in natural light to see if its any different. Here's the model in natural light. Unfortunately I would say there is a colour variation between the rear bunker/steps and the rest of the loco (boiler and cab front). Excellent model though. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris Wood said: Here's the model in natural light. Unfortunately I would say there is a colour variation between the rear bunker/steps and the rest of the loco (boiler and cab front). Excellent model though. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted August 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 19, 2021 Yep, I can see the difference when viewed under a fluorescent light and a tungsten light bulb, but not under LED lighting which is what I mainly use. If the sun ever comes out here I'll check it in sunlight. In all cases it looks worse in the photo than in reality. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 “I know you haven’t finished painting it malachite, we need it now!” 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 54 minutes ago, Nile said: Yep, I can see the difference when viewed under a fluorescent light and a tungsten light bulb, but not under LED lighting which is what I mainly use. If the sun ever comes out here I'll check it in sunlight. In all cases it looks worse in the photo than in reality. Definitely looks like the footplate/steps and rear half of the cab were painted on a different line to the boiler/tanks and front half of the cab, and not from the same batch of paint. Looks like it has been for a part repaint in the works ! All the best Ray 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
friscopete Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 Mine is OK under LED lights ,shows up in fluro and a bit better under tungsten.My layout has fish tank LED lighing .nice model . 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kebwight Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 From my research on the O2's, I do not think that E85008 OO LSWR Adams 02 34 'Newport' is accurate. My understanding is that the loco's cab roof did not have a ventilator installed. The roof fitted to E85007 OO LSWR Adams 02 182 would be more correct for Newport. I also believe that three other IOW examples may have been similarly fitted and No. 33 Bembridge had a unique ventilator fitted. Also, I understand that 34 'Newport' did not have a manufacturers plate fitted to the back of the bunker and was provided only with a transfer. In respect of wonky running plates, from my (admittedly distant) memories of the IOW O2's in service, a running plate that was slightly out of true may well be prototypical for many locos. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) On 19/08/2021 at 09:27, Chris Wood said: Couldn't understand them looking so different as mine's colour variation was less noticable to the eye. So I took a photo, outside under cloudy skies, to show there wasn't much of a problem and hey presto: Just as bad. The camera must accentuate the variation. Here's another view, this time the wobbly offside but taken with flash: Notice how the flash has changed the ratio of the colours, the Olive Green looking nearer to the colour on the bunker. Edited April 26, 2022 by melmerby 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattA Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 All this talk about an engine being painted in two different shades of green reminds me of a certain large prairie (I say with apologies to Didcot!)... As the saying goes, "there's a prototype for everything"! 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 19, 2021 10 hours ago, friscopete said: Mine is OK under LED lights ,shows up in fluro and a bit better under tungsten.My layout has fish tank LED lighing .nice model . Fish tank lighting used to have a large UV component which could change the appearance of certain pigments. I had some 22W fish tank fluorescents and they had really odd colour rendition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted August 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, kebwight said: From my research on the O2's, I do not think that E85008 OO LSWR Adams 02 34 'Newport' is accurate. My understanding is that the loco's cab roof did not have a ventilator installed. The roof fitted to E85007 OO LSWR Adams 02 182 would be more correct for Newport. I also believe that three other IOW examples may have been similarly fitted and No. 33 Bembridge had a unique ventilator fitted. Also, I understand that 34 'Newport' did not have a manufacturers plate fitted to the back of the bunker and was provided only with a transfer. In respect of wonky running plates, from my (admittedly distant) memories of the IOW O2's in service, a running plate that was slightly out of true may well be prototypical for many locos. There’s ‘wonky’ and downright uneven. Given a 4mm scale model is considerably smaller than the real loco then any ‘wonkyness’ seen on Calbourne should be smaller on the model - not larger than in real life as it seems to be the case for many of the Olive versions (but not the Malachite IOW ones). Edited August 19, 2021 by phil-b259 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
friscopete Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, melmerby said: Fish tank lighting used to have a large UV component which could change the appearance of certain pigments. I had some 22W fish tank fluorescents and they had really odd colour rendition. LEDS seem fine ,not the same as Grolux tubes and you can turn it all to night at the flick of a switch and it has built in brackets .My layout is California sunny .I have just bought an LED garage light 4ft as replacement for a fluro tube so I will rig it up and compare colours. Edited August 19, 2021 by friscopete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted August 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) On 18/08/2021 at 22:30, andyram said: I recently received a book on the IOW railways for my birthday. Front cover picture shows an unidentified 02 with running plate that definitely rises at the front, at least four further pictures show such distortion. I had to look closely to see the distortion on my shop display model of "Chale", although it is evident on the photo one of my earlier posts. The distortion on both the Malachite IOW ones is nowhere near as bad as that displayed on the mainland Olive liveried 182! Edited August 19, 2021 by phil-b259 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, friscopete said: I have just bought an LED garage light 4ft as replacement for a fluro tube so I will rig it up and compare colours. I replaced two 5ft fluorescents* in the kitchen with 5ft Leds They are very bright and very white @ 6000 lumens each and 6400K I'll have to see what 182 looks like there! *These: https://www.amazon.co.uk/V-TAC-Fittings-Integrated-1500x74x24mm-Lighting/dp/B07GCKDM6N/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2A5D0ZY6FL6B4&dchild=1&keywords=v-tac+50w+5ft+led+batten&qid=1629412592&sprefix=V+tac+leds%2Caps%2C179&sr=8-5 EDIT The fluorescents in the railway room (6 x 5Ft for a 20' x 12' space) need new tubes after about 10 years use, so I might change those. Edited August 19, 2021 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samfieldhouse Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) On 14/08/2021 at 10:38, Ausfan said: Does anyone else's example have the running plate slightly warped? I've seen another example and it's the same. A gentle undulation on the nearside and curving up a bit at the front offside before the bufferbeam. Yes sadly mine does. I'll be at the IOW next weekend for an event so will return/replace it and see if it's the whole batch, or just a few that are affected. I'm not on board with it being prototypical - there is no gap between the tanks and the running plate on the real loco. The model is warped Edited August 20, 2021 by samfieldhouse added pics 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 14 hours ago, melmerby said: Couldn't understand them looking so different as mine's colour variation was less noticable to the eye. So I took a photo, outside under cloudy skies, to show there wasn't much of a problem and hey presto: Just as bad. The camera must accentuate the variation. Here's another view, this time the wobbly offside but taken with flash: Notice how the flash has changed the ratio of the colours, the Olive Green looking nearer to the colour on the bunker. The overscale and badly quartered coupling rods catch the eye so quickly that minor niggles like the livery sort of go un noticed. Even 1938 Hornby Dublo had better rods 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, samfieldhouse said: Yes sadly mine does. I'll be at the IOW next weekend for an event so will return/replace it and see if it's the whole batch, or just a few that are affected. I'm not on board with it being prototypical - there is no gap between the tanks and the running plate on the real loco. The model is warped That looks like an assembly issue to me. One of my Bachmann MR 1P 0-4-4Ts was like that, solved by taking the body off and then taking the body apart and reassembling it. More towards the rear and cab/bunker end though. It seemed to me that the person assembling it was a bit too over enthusiastic on tightening things. Every screw was far too tight and it was like everything was forced. The other two are perfect and I can't remember that issue being mentioned by anyone else so I think it was a one off. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 5 hours ago, DavidCBroad said: The overscale and badly quartered coupling rods catch the eye so quickly that minor niggles like the livery sort of go un noticed. Even 1938 Hornby Dublo had better rods Funny you should say that. I was wondering how they managed to get the rod to match the angle of the running plate. (Melmerby’s bottom picture above.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted August 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: That looks like an assembly issue to me. One of my Bachmann MR 1P 0-4-4Ts was like that, solved by taking the body off and then taking the body apart and reassembling it. Jason Similar situation and fix reported for the first batch of Hornby A2/2s. The idea that these running plates are distorted by design is frankly bizarre. OK so the 3D CAD of the prototype would show it, but that's near the start of the model design process, not the end. Edited August 20, 2021 by spamcan61 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, No Decorum said: Funny you should say that. I was wondering how they managed to get the rod to match the angle of the running plate. (Melmerby’s bottom picture above.) It's the oversize holes as I assume they are just cosmetic, like DJ's 48XX for Hattons, with both axles driven by the gear train. One of the unnecessary quirks of DJ's design. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samfieldhouse Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, melmerby said: It's the oversize holes as I assume they are just cosmetic, like DJ's 48XX for Hattons, with both axles driven by the gear train. One of the unnecessary quirks of DJ's design. My original J94 had that ridiculous 6 wheel drive mechanism that just caused it to grind to a halt. I removed it, returning it to 2 wheel drive and let the rods do their job - works fine. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamespetts Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I got one of the new ones; here is a comparison between olive green DJ version versus the olive green EFE version: O2s by James Petts, on Flickr O2s by James Petts, on Flickr O2s by James Petts, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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