RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted January 10, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said: Is the turntable still there? A quick look on Google Earth says 'no' 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, montyburns56 said: RTC Test Train Relly Mill Viaduct 1984 by Bill Watson Heaton South Junction Otherwise known as the 'Tribometer Train' and consisted of Lab 11 RDB975046, COV-AB RDB999900 and 'Auto-trailer' RDB975076 - usually hauled by R&D dept's own loco. http://www.traintesting.com/tribometer_train.htm 'Waverley West' on RMweb has modelled this. Edited January 10, 2023 by keefer 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, chris p bacon said: A quick look on Google Earth says 'no' are you sure you are looking in the right place, because my Google Earth suggests 'yes' 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 03/12/2022 at 06:15, 03060 said: Don't think that we've had this one before .... taken by MagLad. So much to take in ... chaps coming out of the weighbridge office on the left ... mascot on the shunter ... facing point leading straight into the works shed ... driver training Unit ... 4 very different house surfaces on the same building, etc, etc. Here is the location after the steel works closed, I've set it to just where the train has passed under the WCML and is heading out through Warrington Low Level 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted January 11, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2023 10 hours ago, jonhall said: are you sure you are looking in the right place, because my Google Earth suggests 'yes' So it is..what a muppet! I think I wandered off the plot when looking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted January 11, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2023 20 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: Thanks to David Rostance Is the turntable still there? It certainly is. Clan Line was turned there on the “End of Southern Steam” excursion last year. Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post montyburns56 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 Backworth Station 1966 by Bill Watson 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 23 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Backworth Station 1966 by Bill Watson Trying to work out why there should be soot blackening of the bridge above one track and not the other. Is there a gradient here with the unit descending the hill? Jim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 SuperTed to the rescue! Burrs (ELR) 2014 by Alan Hart 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowley 47521 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, montyburns56 said: SuperTed to the rescue! Burrs (ELR) 2014 by Alan Hart A seriously good way of clearing much of the surviving class members for haulage in one go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold nigb55009 Posted January 12, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2023 The photo was taken at the Teddy Bears Picnic, celebrating 50 years of the class 14. Held at the East Lancashire Railway in July 2014. Great footage on you tube. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackthorn Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 I saw 9516 at Didcot in 2017 and was surprised what a well proportioned machine it was. Such a shame BR wrote the 14's so quickly, at least they found success in private hands. BR's short sightedness with the hydraulics again, not to mention some of the steam classes!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted January 12, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Blackthorn said: I saw 9516 at Didcot in 2017 and was surprised what a well proportioned machine it was. Such a shame BR wrote the 14's so quickly, at least they found success in private hands. BR's short sightedness with the hydraulics again, not to mention some of the steam classes!!!!! I thought the issue was that the work they were designed for disappeared even as they were being delivered rather than just a hydraulic clearout? Why else try them off the WR in the Hull area? Regards, Simon 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackthorn Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 11 hours ago, 65179 said: I thought the issue was that the work they were designed for disappeared even as they were being delivered rather than just a hydraulic clearout? Why else try them off the WR in the Hull area? Regards, Simon True, but why bother to introduce them at all then? The panniers et al . should had have worked to the end and retired gracecfully. Don't get me wrong, without Dr. Beeching the UK wouldn't have the best railway preservation communities in the world, his cuts would not have led to the preservation movement of the '60's, '70''s and even today. This side of the pond any kind of working heritage railway is a rarity. I have visited the Canadian Railway Museum in Montreal, the museum, in Toronto, at the former roundhouses where Flying Scotsman, and I think the Royal Scot were housed on parts of their Canadian tours and the museum in Squamish, British Columbia. All worth visiting just don't expect the British heritage line. They're basically static displays. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 You can’t look at Class 14 in isolation; if you step back and look at BR in the round from c1955 to c1965 you will see that it was caught in a huge “paradigm shift” in transport and logistics as road motor vehicles “came of age” and the road network began to be seriously useful for long-distance purposes. BR made multiple decisions that imply that they didn’t appreciate, or did appreciate, but simply couldn’t keep up with, the pace of change. A bit like high street retailers trying to adjust to the realities of internet trading over the past c5 years. It’s something of a miracle, and to some degree to the credit of Dr Beeching, that BR came out of the other side of the maelstrom with any meaningful network left. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 13, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2023 The reason the cl.14s (and the other type 1 locos) existed was the BTC/British Railways imagined the same old traffic/network carrying on, with diesel replacing steam to provide the major cost savings. As Nearholmer says, this business model was already pretty obsolete, so a lot of the most inefficient services/flows/practices were the first to go. This included the relatively small/short-distance 'trip' workings the Type 1s were built for. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I may be massively wrong here but here's a theory on why the railways went so quickly in the 1950/60s. Politicians are generally quite well off and will invest their money, especially those of a blue colour. The railways were a nationalised concern, so no benefit to investing in railways as no return on shares bought as you cannot buy any. However, despite there being a national carrier, there was an opportunity to invest heavily in road transport companies. So no incentive for the wealthy to invest in railways, losts of incentive to invest in road schemes and haulage companies. And when you have that incentive, you are disincentivised from focusing on making the railways work, in fact you'd prefer the very opposite. So you have the railways trying to be more efficient whilst those in actual charge really wanting something very different and actively promoting schemes that will only make it harder for the railways to ever achieve efficiency and be losing custom all the time. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 13, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2023 More specific than that, Beeching was in charge of 'reshaping' the railways while his brother-in-law Ernest Marples was head of the biggest road-building company in Britain. Conflict of interest much? Also various other conditions applied to the railways that did not apply to the roads/hauliers e.g. common carrier status. A big factor which meant the railways were always going to be on the defensive was the 1955 strike, which drove a lot of traffic straight to road haulage. From then on, BR was having to justify every penny spent on it (unlike the roads). 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 St Hilda Sidings NCB Harton by ijr65 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purnu Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) There’s some real gems in his photo stream, so many would fit this thread. Edited January 14, 2023 by Purnu Added text 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
33C Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Purnu said: There’s some real gems in his photo stream, so many would fit this thread. Madtit-thunder-max bolt-field! 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2023 On 09/01/2023 at 18:58, montyburns56 said: E26050 (formerly named 'Stentor') Wath 1971 by Gordon Edgar Never noticed the "eyebrows" over the cab windows before! 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post montyburns56 Posted January 14, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2023 Bradford Interchange/Exchange 1974 by John Whiteley 20 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 03060 Posted January 15, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Bradford Interchange/Exchange 1974 by John Whiteley I have slightly vague memories of walking through the station around this period, aged 6 or so with my Grandma who would treat me to a toasted currant teacake in a cafe in town. Happy Days. Thanks for the reminder, Ian. Edited January 15, 2023 by 03060 Correction, Arndale Centre not built until 1976 ! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted January 15, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) Acton Lane steam, Dec 23rd 1977. I was 8, living in Ayrshire, and 4 months later moved to the southern WCML, 30 min by train from here. This absolutely reeks of 1970's neglect & run-down. Edited January 15, 2023 by rodent279 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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