Craig1989 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 This morning apparently the rail drop train derailed blocking everything at church fenton. After seeing pictures on Facebook it’s done a blinding job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 not my video 2 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2021 66066 on 6T30 - as per my status update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Well at least there's no shortage of rail if p-way repairs are required ... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2021 Saw some pictures earlier, looks like a right pain to rerail as a rail was part way down the chute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2021 Not a good morning for the commuters trying to get to Leeds. There was also a crash on the A64 west bound between York and Tadcaster in the early hours that shut the road for several hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, iands said: Not a good morning for the commuters trying to get to Leeds. There was also a crash on the A64 west bound between York and Tadcaster in the early hours that shut the road for several hours. I wa looking at train times earlier and ones that were going via Castleford were taking about 12 min more but line capacity couldn't take all trains 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 17 hours ago, russ p said: Saw some pictures earlier, looks like a right pain to rerail as a rail was part way down the chute Might that have been a factor in the derailment? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 So why is that bloke walking in front of the loco is the second half of the clip? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 6, 2021 21 hours ago, ejstubbs said: Might that have been a factor in the derailment? Nope! Human error inside the possession is what I'm hearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 58 minutes ago, billbedford said: So why is that bloke walking in front of the loco is the second half of the clip? Is he perhaps going to remove either the 'STOP' boards and/or detenators protecting the incident site, allowing the locomotive to leave the site? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Fat Controller said: Is he perhaps going to remove either the 'STOP' boards and/or detenators protecting the incident site, allowing the locomotive to leave the site? Guiding the loco in and stopping it as required is my take. In possessions, machinery requires a person to act as a designated 'machine controller' to co-ordinate movements, hopefully preventing it hitting someone or something. Although locos are not usually though of 'machines' as such, given the situation where plans are being made up on the hoof so to speak, its probably a wise move. In the event I understand the Freightliner loco wasn't needed - all wagons were re-railed with no damage so they got hauled out by the original loco. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 The loco is moving towards the site, with the man walking in front of it. It looks like the loco is there to recover the un-derailed wagons from the rear of the train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiles Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, billbedford said: The loco is moving towards the site, with the man walking in front of it. It looks like the loco is there to recover the un-derailed wagons from the rear of the train. You'd do well to split that rake of wagons without unloading it first! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Suspect they now have twice as many shorter rails for a future job. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted May 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 hours ago, billbedford said: So why is that bloke walking in front of the loco is the second half of the clip? Whatever the reason, I wouldn't have thought walking in the 4ft was the sensible thing to do, the 6ft or the cess would be more appropriate to my mind. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 hours ago, billbedford said: So why is that bloke walking in front of the loco is the second half of the clip? Shouldn't he carry a red flag so as not to frighten the horses? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, billbedford said: The loco is moving towards the site, with the man walking in front of it. It looks like the loco is there to recover the un-derailed wagons from the rear of the train. That was probably the plan - and had the wagons been seriously damaged then it may have been an option once the rails they were carrying had been cut. However as it turned out there was minimal damage to the waggons and their load so once they were back on the track it was merely a case of finish dropping the rail and then depart. Fixing the damaged infrastructure on the other hand.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Siberian Snooper said: Whatever the reason, I wouldn't have thought walking in the 4ft was the sensible thing to do, the 6ft or the cess would be more appropriate to my mind. Walking in the 4ft ensures the driver has a good view of the individual - consider how much easier it is to see something out of your windscreen than it being half obscured by the car bodywork Also please note that in such sites any movements MUST be made at WALKING PACE and all drivers will know that and ensure their speed is controlled such that they can easily stop should the person stop walking or fall over etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, phil-b259 said: Walking in the 4ft ensures the driver has a good view of the individual - consider how much easier it is to see something out of your windscreen than it being half obscured by the car bodywork Also please note that in such sites any movements MUST be made at WALKING PACE and all drivers will know that and ensure their speed is controlled such that they can easily stop should the person stop walking or fall over etc. Totally. This isn’t the operational railway, it has become a worksite. Possession rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted May 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2021 safest way is for him to be in the cab surely, thats what id be doing if it was me on the loco, as phil says locos arent classed as machines so dont need a banksman (for want of a better word) so no need for someone to walk in fornt but in this covid age maybe the driver or ES didnt want TO have 2 in the cab? looking at his armband i think its the ES (Engineering supervisor) so he will have most likey been to lift the worksite marker boards to let the loco in from ‘picop land’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 57 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: Shouldn't he carry a red flag so as not to frighten the horses? And where is his stovepipe top hat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 4 hours ago, admiles said: You'd do well to split that rake of wagons without unloading it first! One of many mickey-takes in Control occurred when a loaded long welded rail train developed a fault on a wagon mid-train. The section Controller was advised to tell the Traincrew to detach the wagon and continue forward. Fortunately he realised the absurdity before passing the message on..... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted May 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 6, 2021 I would think that cutting those rails on the train would have been absolutely the last resort. Operators have to be near rails whilst cutting them, and those ends could go anywhere . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted May 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 6, 2021 Just now, 96701 said: I would think that cutting those rails on the train would have been absolutely the last resort. Operators have to be near rails whilst cutting them, and those ends could go anywhere . I agree* but if the wagons were so significantly damaged that they couldn't be re railed then what other choice would they have? Fortunately it didn't come to that * For those not in the industry do not underestimate the bendiness / springiness of unsecured rail! Although very flexible going round a curve like the one at Church Fenton still puts in a lot of tension which can cause significant harm if suddenly released. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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