RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2022 Productive day there Graham. Still no work on Henley-on-Thames this weekend.... I currently have my feet up on the sofa, outside in the baking heat... Nice glass of cold Rioja and Johnnie Walker on the radio. #LazySunday - In fairness though, I did run 10km this morning with the Sunday running club 🏃♂️😎 Have a good afternoon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Graham T said: Whitemetal mail sacks. Rather irritatingly, these are drying glossy, although I used matt paint?! Again weathering powder is your friend. Brush it over when the sack are dry. It will take the shine off. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted September 4, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Neal Ball said: Productive day there Graham. Still no work on Henley-on-Thames this weekend.... I currently have my feet up on the sofa, outside in the baking heat... Nice glass of cold Rioja and Johnnie Walker on the radio. #LazySunday - In fairness though, I did run 10km this morning with the Sunday running club 🏃♂️😎 Have a good afternoon That's a good run. I'm trying to get back into it, but only managing around 5k two or three times a week at the moment. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted September 4, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rowsley17D said: Again weathering powder is your friend. Brush it over when the sack are dry. It will take the shine off. Good thinking; I'll give that a try before resorting to different paint! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Graham T said: That's a good run. I'm trying to get back into it, but only managing around 5k two or three times a week at the moment. Don't worry about the distance, fit your runs in around whatever you are doing and enjoy it. My next big race will be the Elche 1/2 marathon in March - training curve starts in the next few weeks. If you are not already on there, join Strava and use it as a motivational tool. It's a great app. 10 minutes ago, Graham T said: Good thinking; I'll give that a try before resorting to different paint! I used weathering powders on my new lamp huts and it made a big difference to the look of them. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 19 hours ago, 5BarVT said: I’m now being a hindsight engineer which isn’t fair to you. I wonder whether there might not have been a brick cut out in the bank, just the post dug into the ground ‘through’ the bank. That way you wouldn’t need to get the signal wires past the wall, they could just run ‘straight’ to the base of the post. This is not a suggestion to change, just a comment that may be relevant to Mk2 at some point. Paul. Paul - can I ask you a question (sorry for the thread hi jack Graham) What is the correct way to signal a three way point in a goods yard/loco yard ? Would a double ground signal be appropriate, or a treble ground signal, or two individual ground signals - or something else ? Thanks Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted September 4, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Rowsley17D said: Again weathering powder is your friend. Brush it over when the sack are dry. It will take the shine off. I assume that the powders need sealing after though, with matt spray varnish or similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted September 4, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Neal Ball said: Don't worry about the distance, fit your runs in around whatever you are doing and enjoy it. My next big race will be the Elche 1/2 marathon in March - training curve starts in the next few weeks. If you are not already on there, join Strava and use it as a motivational tool. It's a great app. I haven't run a half marathon for a couple of years now... Just use my Garmin watch and plod! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted September 4, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 21 minutes ago, Gopher said: Paul - can I ask you a question (sorry for the thread hi jack Graham) Hijack away Clive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2022 23 minutes ago, Gopher said: Paul - can I ask you a question (sorry for the thread hi jack Graham) What is the correct way to signal a three way point in a goods yard/loco yard ? Would a double ground signal be appropriate, or a treble ground signal, or two individual ground signals - or something else ? Thanks Clive Probably off a ground frame and hand signals 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) Clive, all my ground signals are there to protect from trains leaving the sidings and entering the main lines and so they are at the toes of the points not the exits in m y case. Would you not simply have a single disk facing the three way end of the point? I will be interested to hear the correct answer. Edited September 4, 2022 by Andy Keane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37Oban Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 47 minutes ago, Gopher said: What is the correct way to signal a three way point in a goods yard/loco yard ? Would a double ground signal be appropriate, or a treble ground signal, or two individual ground signals - or something else ? Hi, I would have thought that in a goods or loco yard, unless there was a line leading to the main running line, which would need to be signalled, it would be hand signalled by the shunter. Roja 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, Andy Keane said: Clive, all my ground signals are there to protect from trains leaving the sidings and entering the main lines and so they are at the toes of the points not the exits in m y case. Would you not simply have a single disk facing the three way end of the point? I will be interested to hear the correct answer. Thats's interesting Andy - I have three - three way points, two in my loco yard, and one in the goods yard. Access to the running lines is controlled by a semaphore signal in each case ( the semaphores are installed at the toe of the three ways), so I use the ground signals to control/indicate which of the three routes is selected, when locos move the other way from the toe of the point onto on of the three access roads . No idea if this is even close to being correct as I am no signalling expert. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 The signals are there to control access to and from running lines - what happens once a movement is in the yard doesn't concern the signalman, until it wants to come back out again... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nick C said: The signals are there to control access to and from running lines - what happens once a movement is in the yard doesn't concern the signalman, until it wants to come back out again... So would ground signals be linked to manual point levers ? So not controlled by the signalman. Must admit I thought the answer was yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gopher said: So would ground signals be linked to manual point levers ? So not controlled by the signalman. Must admit I thought the answer was yes Just to confuse have you also thought about point indicators - the rotating lamps that let the driver know how the ground frame has set the point? I have one of those too and all my discs are on lines back to the signalbox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 23 minutes ago, Andy Keane said: Just to confuse have you also thought about point indicators - the rotating lamps that let the driver know how the ground frame has set the point? I have one of those too and all my discs are on lines back to the signalbox. No not thought of these Andy, and I'm quickly trying to forget you mentioned them.😀. Just consulted my Adrian Vaughan books on GW signalling. He does say ground signals were used in yards etc., and has a picture of a 3 way ground signal - signalling a 3 way divergence ahead. No mention if these were linked to manual point levers though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Keane Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gopher said: No not thought of these Andy, and I'm quickly trying to forget you mentioned them.😀. Just consulted my Adrian Vaughan books on GW signalling. He does say ground signals were used in yards etc., and has a picture of a 3 way ground signal - signalling a 3 way divergence ahead. No mention if these were linked to manual point levers though. In the end we need a signaller of course. It’s very cunning stuff, primarily designed to fox mere mortals. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 Just now, Andy Keane said: In the end we need a signaller of course. It’s very cunning stuff, primarily designed to fox mere mortals. That gets me off the hook then ‘cos I’m an Engineer not a signaller!!! Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted September 4, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 Just now, 5BarVT said: That gets me off the hook then ‘cos I’m an Engineer not a signaller!!! Paul. I was about to get you involved here Paul 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, 5BarVT said: That gets me off the hook then ‘cos I’m an Engineer not a signaller!!! Paul. Sorry Paul, I misunderstood your role/speciality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 My understanding is that if the yard has fixed signals reading out onto the running lines, including ground signals, then there would be no fixed signals within the yard. All movements would be controlled by handsignals. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Gopher said: Paul - can I ask you a question (sorry for the thread hi jack Graham) No problem. 2 hours ago, Gopher said: What is the correct way to signal a three way point in a goods yard/loco yard ? Would a double ground signal be appropriate, or a treble ground signal, or two individual ground signals - or something else ? 1 hour ago, 37Oban said: I would have thought that in a goods or loco yard, unless there was a line leading to the main running line, which would need to be signalled, it would be hand signalled by the shunter. Correct. 1 hour ago, Nick C said: The signals are there to control access to and from running lines - what happens once a movement is in the yard doesn't concern the signalman, until it wants to come back out again... Also correct, just stating the converse of the previous quote. 59 minutes ago, Gopher said: So would ground signals be linked to manual point levers ? So not controlled by the signalman. Must admit I thought the answer was yes Signals are controlled from a lever frame operated by the signalman. Or a ground frame, but there the shunter/guard is being the signalman. 52 minutes ago, Andy Keane said: Just to confuse have you also thought about point indicators - the rotating lamps that let the driver know how the ground frame has set the point? I have one of those too and all my discs are on lines back to the signalbox. That would only be for a point operated from the signalbox. Not for a hand point in a yard. 23 minutes ago, Gopher said: No not thought of these Andy, and I'm quickly trying to forget you mentioned them.😀. Just consulted my Adrian Vaughan books on GW signalling. He does say ground signals were used in yards etc., and has a picture of a 3 way ground signal - signalling a 3 way divergence ahead. No mention if these were linked to manual point levers though. My Vaughan book on GWR signalling doesn’t have a three way disc/three way point (it’s a second printing so may have been added in a later edition). He does make that sort of comment about a 2 way disc and it is in the context (not actually stated) of signalling trains in yards as opposed to passenger trains on running lines. I’ll do a separate post pertaining to your layout. Paul. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted September 4, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 We need one of these, but for... ... Signalman! Do you think he wears a cape, and his underpants outside his trousers? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted September 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Gopher said: Sorry Paul, I misunderstood your role/speciality. Not a problem. Just need to point it out sometimes. It was said with a great big grin and tongue firmly in cheek! Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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