Covid - coming out of Lockdown 3 - no politics, less opinion and more facts and information.

[Crisis Rail]

3 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

True, but if the past 18 months has taught us anything, it's that some of the things we used to accept as "normal" are just too trivial to be worth taking the chance for. Especially when on holiday, It's surprising how much time-frittering goes on in between the worthwhile/really enjoyable bits....

 

Guess which category mooching around shopping malls or narrow seaside "grockle trap" streets shoulder-to-shoulder with several hundred overly carefree "Spanish Refugees" falls into?

 

I doubt I'm the only one who has spent some of lockdown assessing what I really want to get back to doing a.s.a.p., set against activities that I'll happily postpone until it's much quieter. 

 

John

 

Fair point.

 

It's the "Glass Full" situation and we obviously have differing perceptions.

 

Like a few on here I expect  - I'm at the wrong end of 50 -  starting to creak a bit -  but nevertheless immeasurably grateful of modern medicinal science and the double vaccine that has been duly administered (hopefully without problems) but time will tell on that one.

 

At my (our) ages we are regularly reminded  of mere mortality  - 6 acquaintance lost this year (2 Covid - yes it does exist) and I found out yesterday that due to MS another wont see much of his Pension.

 

Life is for living.

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Crisis Rail

[Crisis Rail]

2 hours ago, boxbrownie said:

Not a chance 

 

Roseland Peninsula......

Edited August 29, 2021 by Crisis Rail

[MJI]

I have been priced out of Cornwall.

 

Been happening for ages.

 

Food places going to poncy food rather than good quality normal food.

 

Been going for years, until recently when prices shot up and food places went so called posh.

 

I do like the Lizard peninsula

[hayfield]

2 hours ago, cctransuk said:

 

Unfortunately for the residents, "the best year for sales in ages" equals going from the lowest incidence of Covid in the UK to the highest.

 

They'll all go home soon, and leave us their Covid legacy for the winter. My wife has been waiting several years now to see a specialist - what chance when our only major hospital is having to deal with imported Covid!

 

John Isherwood.

 

John

 

I am coming down in a couple of weeks and the wife's parents, staying with relations. Its awful you have such a high incidence, but I think it was when not if it happened. The Delta variant is highly transmissible and places all over the world who have been mainly covid free are now suffering

 

As for bad behaviour, its not acceptable. But something we have to live with in the south east. One of the reasons we moved outside the M25 was to get away from these folk, you only had to put up with them 2 weeks of the year, we have them all year

 

Still we are coming down to behave ourselves and spend some money in the local economy and hopefully the hoards will have gone home 

[jonny777]

25 minutes ago, MJI said:

I have been priced out of Cornwall.

 

Been happening for ages.

 

Food places going to poncy food rather than good quality normal food.

 

Been going for years, until recently when prices shot up and food places went so called posh.

 

I do like the Lizard peninsula

 

I was thinking of buying a holiday caravan for all the family to use as a convenient getaway through the year, but prices have now risen by 50% or more in the last few months. A second hand one in an acceptable area (not East or Southeast costs because we already have relatives near there) which was £20,000 last winter is now at least £30,000. 

 

I've given that idea up, unless the British weather causes a sudden desire within the holiday home masses to sell up and buy something overseas, and prices crash; but I'm not holding my breath. The annual pitch/running costs seem to have risen well above inflation also. 

 

 

[Dunsignalling]

1 hour ago, Crisis Rail said:

 

Fair point.

 

It's the "Glass Full" situation and we obviously have differing perceptions.

 

Like a few on here I expect  - I'm at the wrong end of 50 -  starting to creak a bit -  but nevertheless immeasurably grateful of modern medicinal science and the double vaccine that has been duly administered (hopefully without problems) but time will tell on that one.

 

At my (our) ages we are regularly reminded  mere mortality 6 acquaintance losses this year (2 Covid - yes it does exist) and I found out yesterday that another wont see much of his Pension.

 

Life is for living.

 

But it's Important that your glass is full of what matters to you, not topped up with the banal cr4p of identikit "popular culture" (an oxymoron if there ever was one).

 

During lockdown I realised that so much of what our local BBC evening magazine programme was bemoaning the loss of didn't actually matter to me very much at all. When everything started unlocking the regular presenter was gushing so much about how wonderful impending "normality" would be that it really started to grate!

 

Now when, surprise surprise, it's all turning sour, and the biggest hospital in the region has three wards full of Covid patients (this week, so far) we get coverage best described as bemused disappointment.

 

So many still haven't got it that normality, as we understood it in 2019, is gone until the virus is beaten, worldwide, which ain't gonna happen for many years (probably more than I have left) if ever.

 

"Living with Covid" cannot mean ignoring it, we have to work around it, and that means cutting out some behaviours and adjusting many others to live as full a life as possible whilst reducing risk as far as is practical.

 

Among other things, that means not bleating that being asked to wear a mask in shops is "ruining my mental health". If I were that fragile I'd consider I really shouldn't be allowed out alone!

 

Rant over.

 

John

Edited August 29, 2021 by Dunsignalling

[MJI]

42 minutes ago, jonny777 said:

 

I was thinking of buying a holiday caravan for all the family to use as a convenient getaway through the year, but prices have now risen by 50% or more in the last few months. A second hand one in an acceptable area (not East or Southeast costs because we already have relatives near there) which was £20,000 last winter is now at least £30,000. 

 

I've given that idea up, unless the British weather causes a sudden desire within the holiday home masses to sell up and buy something overseas, and prices crash; but I'm not holding my breath. The annual pitch/running costs seem to have risen well above inflation also. 

 

 

 

We sold our tourer a few years ago as we were priced out of storage, was heading above £500 a year very quickly.

[boxbrownie]

2 hours ago, Crisis Rail said:

 

Roseland Peninsula......

Nope…….

[boxbrownie]

1 hour ago, MJI said:

I have been priced out of Cornwall.

 

Been happening for ages.

 

Food places going to poncy food rather than good quality normal food.

 

Been going for years, until recently when prices shot up and food places went so called posh.

 

I do like the Lizard peninsula

It’s the “celebrity chef” effect unfortunately, but stay to the real bits and it’s still the same.

[Neil]

You might find the statistics published by Our World in Data to be of interest. I've selected the page 'What share of the population has been fully or partly vaccinated against Covid-19?'. The left hand chart is the most useful one, showing vaccination rates as a percentage of the total population. To the basic list of countries you can add others from a drop down menu. It's interesting to see that though doing well the UK now lags behind Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Denmark and Malta. As it's reported that we have a high take up of the vaccine in the older age groups it would seem that these other countries are doing better than we are with the younger population. Rather than bluster about comparisons maybe we should be taking a look at how these other nations are managing to roll out the vaccine to a greater number of their citizens and do something similar.

[boxbrownie]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

You might find the statistics published by Our World in Data to be of interest. I've selected the page 'What share of the population has been fully or partly vaccinated against Covid-19?'. The left hand chart is the most useful one, showing vaccination rates as a percentage of the total population. To the basic list of countries you can add others from a drop down menu. It's interesting to see that though doing well the UK now lags behind Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Denmark and Malta. As it's reported that we have a high take up of the vaccine in the older age groups it would seem that these other countries are doing better than we are with the younger population. Rather than bluster about comparisons maybe we should be taking a look at how these other nations are managing to roll out the vaccine to a greater number of their citizens and do something similar.

You can lead a horse to water…….

[MJI]

56 minutes ago, boxbrownie said:

It’s the “celebrity chef” effect unfortunately, but stay to the real bits and it’s still the same.

 

We had a few favourites but they had changed.

 

Used to be barbeque style meals at a place near Coverack, lots of local good quality meat with chips and the like.

 

When we last looked, prices up a lot and now a lot of seafood instead.

 

Our favourite beach, changd shop owners, food gone from decent fare to again expensive seafood.

 

Unless it is cod and deep fried in batter no chance.

 

For some reason these places are forgetting Cornwall does excellent beef (some of my relatives worked on a beef rearing farm)

[hayfield]

21 minutes ago, MJI said:

 

We had a few favourites but they had changed.

 

Used to be barbeque style meals at a place near Coverack, lots of local good quality meat with chips and the like.

 

When we last looked, prices up a lot and now a lot of seafood instead.

 

Our favourite beach, changd shop owners, food gone from decent fare to again expensive seafood.

 

Unless it is cod and deep fried in batter no chance.

 

For some reason these places are forgetting Cornwall does excellent beef (some of my relatives worked on a beef rearing farm)

 

My favourite is the Kota in Porthleven, its better than many of the top London restaurants 

[Nearholmer]

Are there any stats to show % people with Covid anti-bodies by age band?

 

That might show that where vaccination rates fall by age, that is compensated by having caught the bug, at least to some degree.

[lapford34102]

3 hours ago, Neil said:

You might find the statistics published by Our World in Data..................................

Figures there seem at odds with

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

 

Stu

[APOLLO]

Just back from a "do" at the local Thai restaurant in Wigan. Crowded, no masks, loud music, self serve buffet etc. No covid rules whatsoever.

 

Ah well, we're all double jabbed - we will see.

 

As the Romans said here in Coccium (Wigan) -  Constantus Momentus Cranium Descendus !!!!

 

Brit15

[Nearholmer]

43 minutes ago, lapford34102 said:

Figures there seem at odds with

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

 

I thank that is because the gov.uk figure is for % of people over 16 vaccinated, and the one Neil points to is % of total population.

 

The gov.uk one was adjusted a few days ago from being % of people over (IIRC) 18 vaccinated, which made it appear to drop suddenly, as the population included rose, then climb back again.

 

The countries with really high % of total population vaccinated are the ones that have decided early to vaccinate children, I think.

[lapford34102]

12 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

I thank that is because the gov.uk figure is for % of people over 16 vaccinated, and the one Neil points to is % of total population.

 Fair point, there's some info re countries vaccinating children in the link.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/which-countries-are-vaccinating-minors-against-covid

 

When you look there's a deal of variation around the world on vaccinating under 18's. So we're not comparing like with like when looking at the figures in Neils link so like covid death rates it's not a straightforward comparison.

 

Stu

 

[Nearholmer]

17 minutes ago, lapford34102 said:

So we're not comparing like with like when looking at the figures in Neils link

Well, it tells you exactly what it tells you, % of population vaccinated for each country, so at that level it is very definitely like for like. Whereas government figures, not just ours, tend to be % of target group vaccinated (currently everyone 16+ in our case), and given that the target groups vary between countries, it’s the government figures that aren’t like for like.

 

I may be off-beam, but I don’t think any country has a target group that encompasses it’s entire population at present; I think even the most keen to vaccinate children against Covid cut-off at c12yo, so no country can be expected to get to 100% of total population, and the maximum achievable for each will depend on demographics - Many African countries have very young populations, so will ‘max out’ at a lower % than the old countries of Europe, of which I think Italy is the most geriatric.

Edited August 29, 2021 by Nearholmer

[John M Upton]

Well, just seen some of the front pages of Monday's national chip wrappers on the BBC News website, talk of massive spikes expected when schools go back and a new variant of the Delta variant emerging from the festival down Cornwall way.

 

We just had a massive festival in Portsmouth over the weekend so I am fully expecting a massive spike around this way in a couple of weeks too.

 

Lockdown IV here we come....

[hayfield]

29 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

Well, just seen some of the front pages of Monday's national chip wrappers on the BBC News website, talk of massive spikes expected when schools go back and a new variant of the Delta variant emerging from the festival down Cornwall way.

 

We just had a massive festival in Portsmouth over the weekend so I am fully expecting a massive spike around this way in a couple of weeks too.

 

Lockdown IV here we come....

 

John

 

I think one faction of the experts want all to catch covid naturally provided they have been double jabbed and not in very high risk groups, their think is it gives a better overall immunity than having an un-natural third booster

[hayfield]

If there can be any good news about covid, in England cases have dropped foe the seventh day in a row, and the South west looks to be recovering from the two major spikes they have seen over the past two months

 

I imagine that schools going back will again knock back up the figures

 

In the international front we seem to be much the same as our direct counterparts with the latest mortality rates according to Worldometer,  

[Dunsignalling]

A slightly worrying statistical titbit emerged on the West Country news yesterday evening in that county-level numbers of positive Covid cases relate purely to local residents.

 

Visitors who have gone down with it whilst holidaying in the area are excluded from those figures but do get into the national stats (and presumably those for their home areas).

 

So the real numbers for infections in Devon and Cornwall are significantly higher than the already horrific figures we've been fed over the past few weeks.

 

John

 

 

Edited September 1, 2021 by Dunsignalling

[boxbrownie]

1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

A slightly worrying statistical titbit emerged on the West Country news yesterday evening in that county-level numbers of positive Covid cases relate purely to local residents.

 

Visitors who have gone down with it whilst holidaying in the area are excluded from those figures but do get into the national stats (and presumably those for their home areas).

 

So the real numbers for infections in Devon and Cornwall are significantly higher than the already horrific figures we've been fed over the past few weeks.

 

John

 

 

I had always assumed the figures were for local residents, and it was the visitors that made it worse by spreading it around as before the holiday season started we were in the lowest of areas infected.

[Nearholmer]

Has anyone yet found any stats showing how The Great British Summer Covid Experiment is panning-out in terms of age-banded severity of illness, and age-banded mortality, with a vaccinated/not split within each age band?

 

We read statements, and harrowing stories, about a higher % of severely ill patient being younger, but that is a higher % of a smaller number, and what I still can’t find for myself is any breakdown below ‘hospitalisation and deaths’.

 

IMO, it’s really hard to draw conclusions, or form opinions now on the basis of the numbers that I can find. I’m sort of giving my uninformed not quite consent to participating in the experiment, and have no idea at all how worried or not I should be for children, partner and self as school restarts next week.