RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 02/05/2021 at 18:10, newbryford said: The first main line to be electrified (with overhead) was the Woodhead route...... There might be a bit of a discussion on what we mean by "main line" But I would argue that, even in the UK, there are other candidates for that "title". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 02/05/2021 at 00:52, jools1959 said: You have to remember that the original GEML electrification was 1500V DC and later converted to 25Kv AC, so the spans and masts were more akin to those on the Woodhead route. On 02/05/2021 at 18:10, newbryford said: The first main line to be electrified (with overhead) was the Woodhead route...... There might be a bit of a discussion on what we mean by "main line" But I would argue that, even in the UK, there are other candidates for that "title". Apologies for a bit of thread diversion, but I have noticed too how much shorter are the spans on 1.5k DC. Makes for easier modelling. I think that, if you include plenty of gentle curves into the layout, you can use wires, 420mm in length, which will be close to prototype length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, cornish trains jez said: Will it be similar to this one? Perhaps an N gauge version too? I thought the 93 was destined to have 4 axles......? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 16 hours ago, cornish trains jez said: Will it be similar to this one? Nope, this is the class 93 (basically a class 88 with new cabs): A Stadler co-co hybrid locomotive aka the 'Class 99' is currently being assessed by a well known FOC. Check the I recommend you follow WNXX for updates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 15 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: There might be a bit of a discussion on what we mean by "main line" But I would argue that, even in the UK, there are other candidates for that "title". Indeed, Liverpool Street to Shenfield was hardly a branch line... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 hours ago, 159220 said: Nope, this is the class 93 (basically a class 88 with new cabs): A Stadler co-co hybrid locomotive aka the 'Class 99' is currently being assessed by a well known FOC. Check the I recommend you follow WNXX for updates. Not too dissimilar then. Bo Bo rather than Co Co and with some body side differences. The one in the photo is currently being tested around Switzerland and looks really impressive. There 's a few videos of it online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Check out 'Sudexpress' offerings on the EuroDual. Back in OO land, wonderful to see our models being built to similar or even better standards. The full fat EuroDual is proving increasingly popular on the mainland, only time for the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, 159220 said: Check out 'Sudexpress' offerings on the EuroDual. Back in OO land, wonderful to see our models being built to similar or even better standards. The full fat EuroDual is proving increasingly popular on the mainland, only time for the UK. Impressive! Need those in N!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, cornish trains jez said: Not too dissimilar then. Bo Bo rather than Co Co and with some body side differences. Certainly a similar look but some significant differences because of the smaller British loading gauge. Look at the cab side window - dead flat on the Euro version, but the whole of it angled over on a tapered curve on the 93. The door is different too, with the top part angled back; to be honest they could have done a better job, visually integrating the door and cabside window together. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Quick and dirty revamp. Effectively the slight shouldering is pushed back behind the door rather than in front of it. Also rounded the door window edges to match both the side window and (oddly) the European version. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2021/06/class-93-locomotives-on-london-to-stirling-services-grand-union-revises-proposal.html It would appear at least one TOC will have a need for these locos on class 1 Anglo-Scottish expresses…good news! Jack. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 38 minutes ago, Jack374 said: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2021/06/class-93-locomotives-on-london-to-stirling-services-grand-union-revises-proposal.html It would appear at least one TOC will have a need for these locos on class 1 Anglo-Scottish expresses…good news! Jack. That's interesting, I had thought that would slow things down but I suppose the 125/140mph top speed of the 91 won't be exploitable on the WCML anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Jack374 said: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2021/06/class-93-locomotives-on-london-to-stirling-services-grand-union-revises-proposal.html It would appear at least one TOC will have a need for these locos on class 1 Anglo-Scottish expresses…good news! Jack. What a waste of money. Class 91’s would be far more cost effective. And still using MK4 stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted June 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, cornish trains jez said: What a waste of money. Class 91’s would be far more cost effective. And still using MK4 stock. Depends what state the 91s are in and what costs (leasing and track access) are for a 91 v 93 - I suspect the 93 will be far cheaper to operate. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, cornish trains jez said: What a waste of money. Class 91’s would be far more cost effective. And still using MK4 stock. Is it? 93s will be more electrically efficient than a 91 and probably subject to lower track access charges. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Not so sure on the track access. Class 91s were designed with very low unsprung weight to minimise the impact on track. In that respect the traction motors are attached to the body so the weight of them is several stages suspended. It would depend on Railtrack's criteria and how the 93 is designed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted June 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, BernardTPM said: Not so sure on the track access. Class 91s were designed with very low unsprung weight to minimise the impact on track. In that respect the traction motors are attached to the body so the weight of them is several stages suspended. It would depend on Railtrack's criteria and how the 93 is designed. Hi Bernard Hope you're well! I included the electricity costs within NR's track access charges as I would expect the 93 to be considerably cheaper to operate (successive generations of electric locos have been cheaper than the previous generation) and the tri-mode 93 should benefit. Cheers Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, red death said: Hi Bernard Hope you're well! I included the electricity costs within NR's track access charges as I would expect the 93 to be considerably cheaper to operate (successive generations of electric locos have been cheaper than the previous generation) and the tri-mode 93 should benefit. Cheers Mike Regenerative braking will go a long way to offsetting 50p in the meter..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 On 25/06/2021 at 11:10, cornish trains jez said: What a waste of money. Class 91’s would be far more cost effective. And still using MK4 stock. Despite what many hope trains don't last forever, and often the costs of fixing/upgrading them don't make sense if a newer option is available. Launching a new service it makes sense to use a new loco which will benefit from spare parts being available for everything from the manufacturer. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) On 25/06/2021 at 08:10, Jack374 said: https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2021/06/class-93-locomotives-on-london-to-stirling-services-grand-union-revises-proposal.html It would appear at least one TOC will have a need for these locos on class 1 Anglo-Scottish expresses…good news! Jack. This article says services start in December 2022… but this article says ROG wont get delivery until 2023.. https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/rail-operations-uk-ltd-orders-class-93-tri-modes followed by testing etc… Edited June 30, 2021 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Is there now a subsiduary of RevolutioN call RevolutiOO? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Talltim said: Is there now a subsiduary of RevolutioN call RevolutiOO? Only in Italy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted June 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2021 48 minutes ago, Talltim said: Is there now a subsiduary of RevolutioN call RevolutiOO? Given that they have dabbled in all three “main” scales, perhaps they should be called Revolootion Trains now…. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 They should stick to N, those people with bigger trains get enough choice, if they want what RevolutioN can build they should downscale and join us. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixie Dean Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Anything happening with these babies gents? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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