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[Wickham Green too]

What about some AUTHENTIC Victorian/Edwardian bogie coaches instead ?

[PeterStiles]

13 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

AUTHENTIC Victorian/Edwardian bogie coaches

Whilst that would be nice, it would also but down your target purchasing customers by at least a factor of ten...

 

The problem with pre-grouping is the rather large number of companies, which is where the generic coaches win out - "near enough" to slip behind 'any' loco, which seems to tick enough boxes for a significant number of people.

 

I'd support Rapido acquiring the Hattons tooling. Hey, I'd support anyone acquiring it, what is really hate is if no one picked the tooling up... 

[Wickham Green too]

One man's "near enough" is an other's "chalk & cheese" .................................. Traing used to do Caledonian-esque Mk1s & GWR clerestories*- might they be not be "near enough" for your liking ??!?

 

* no doubt availably for a few pennies from interweb auction sites

[Combe Martin]

1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

One man's "near enough" is an other's "chalk & cheese" .................................. Triang used to do Caledonian-esque Mk1s & GWR clerestories*- might they be not be "near enough" for your liking ??!?

 

* no doubt availably for a few pennies from interweb auction sites

 

Back in the year "dot", the late Reverend Peter Denny (he who built the Buckingham Branch and which still exists) and who was revered widely, converted some Triang GWR Clerestories (cut and shunt as I recall) into what I presume were Great Central coaches for his Buckingham Branch.  

 

I wonder how accurate they were ?, I bet they wern't 100% !

 

This is not a criticism of him or of either view point.

 

I do believe he scratch built virtually everything.  There wern't many kits around in those days.

Edited September 9 by Combe Martin

[John Isherwood]

43 minutes ago, Combe Martin said:

 

Back in the year "dot", the late Reverend Peter Denny (he who built the Buckingham Branch and which still exists) and who was revered widely, converted some Triang GWR Clerestories (cut and shunt as I recall) into what I presume were Great Central coaches for his Buckingham Branch.  

 

I wonder how accurate they were ?, I bet they wern't 100% !

 

This is not a criticism of him or of either view point.

 

I do believe he scratch built virtually everything.  There wern't many kits around in those days.

 

Around the same time, there was a series of article published about how to cut-and-shut Tri-ang clerestories into (almost) correct LSWR coaches; the results were VERY convincing.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if that series sent Clive Mortimore down his 'hacking' path!

 

John Isherwood

[Dunsignalling]

3 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

What about some AUTHENTIC Victorian/Edwardian bogie coaches instead ?

 

But, in all probability, not from your railway of choice.....

 

The $64,000 question is, which would sell enough to people who would really prefer something else, at prices that relatively small production levels might dictate.

 

The exact reason why Hatton's went the way they did, and it seemed to work. With care they came up with a range that was (in most cases) sufficiently "close" to satisfy a viably wide market.

 

Edited September 9 by Dunsignalling

[Wickham Green too]

38 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

But, in all probability, not from your railway of choice.....

Let's face it, no generic coaches will be correct for anyone's railway of choice ................. if you want something a little more convincing than Triang's offering ( above ) you can always repaint Bachmann's SECR or EFE's LSWR coaches in whatever livery you fancy - why reinvent the wheel with something that never existed ??!?

 

Incidentally, the clamour for generic locomotives to haul these generic coaches is ....... er ... well ... er ..................................... no, I can't hear it either !

[Tim Dubya]

Did I ever mention LSWR Corridors 🤔😜

 

or more specifically, (SR) Dia's 139, 131, 21 & 282.  Oh and a non corridor full brake, Dia.  863, please Bob.

 

(Sorry Dave H, but I don't have the skills to build your kits ☹️).

 

Edited September 9 by Tim Dubya
Jibbajabba

[Dunsignalling]

57 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

Let's face it, no generic coaches will be correct for anyone's railway of choice ................. if you want something a little more convincing than Triang's offering ( above ) you can always repaint Bachmann's SECR or EFE's LSWR coaches in whatever livery you fancy - why reinvent the wheel with something that never existed ??!?

 

Incidentally, the clamour for generic locomotives to haul these generic coaches is ....... er ... well ... er ..................................... no, I can't hear it either !

 

But if the choice is between a coach that's only 90% "right" in your preferred livery, and no coach.....

 

Problem is that, while rare and/or localised locos sell OK (especially if in ornate liveries), far too many people in the hobby regard carriages as so much moving scenery, and are reluctant to pay what good models of even fairly commonplace ones cost.

 

The old saw about a need for the prototype to have survived long enough to carry BR paint in order to be produced r-t-r is probably even more true for coaches than it is for locos, and that rules out the vast majority of pre-WW1 stock.

 

 

Edited September 9 by Dunsignalling

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

I’m confident they will at some point but an Illfacombe goods in 00 would be nice. 

[No Decorum]

There’s no denying that Hatton’s generic coaches were a commericial success although not helped by my money. On the other hand, I welcomed two differently numbered rakes of pre-grouping Birdcages, not to mention the EFE LSWR coaches. We seem to have a mix when it comes to pre-grouping. SECR is very well served and there seems to be progress on the other two Southern constituents. Other railways are not so well served. Rapido seems to be doing very well by producing pre-grouping wagons; perhaps one day authentic pre-grouping coaches might follow. In the meantime, I’d rather do without generic coaches. Other opinions are very evidently available.

[Wickham Green too]

20 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

But if the choice is between a coach that's only 90% "right" in your preferred livery, and no coach.....

So why are you objecting to having a 90% "right" coach which just happens to be 100% right for some other lucky guy ?

[Dunsignalling]

41 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

So why are you objecting to having a 90% "right" coach which just happens to be 100% right for some other lucky guy ?

 

I'm not, just don't expect me to buy one unless it's "close enough" for me, too.

 

I'm certainly not capable of executing pre-group coach liveries....

Edited September 9 by Dunsignalling

[GMKAT7]

Good evening folks,

 

I seem to recall, around the time of the Hawksworth 15xx Panniers launch, that there was a Rapido teaser for the Hawksworth County class 10xx.

 

Since then it has all gone quiet.

 

I am happy with Rapido producing the many other varied wagons and locos since (SECR O1, etc).

Perhaps a reveal at the Rapidoex later this month?

 

Cheers, Nigel.

[Dunsignalling]

2 hours ago, No Decorum said:

There’s no denying that Hatton’s generic coaches were a commericial success although not helped by my money. On the other hand, I welcomed two differently numbered rakes of pre-grouping Birdcages, not to mention the EFE LSWR coaches. We seem to have a mix when it comes to pre-grouping. SECR is very well served and there seems to be progress on the other two Southern constituents. Other railways are not so well served. Rapido seems to be doing very well by producing pre-grouping wagons; perhaps one day authentic pre-grouping coaches might follow. In the meantime, I’d rather do without generic coaches. Other opinions are very evidently available.

We're back to "survival into BR service" again; those LSWR and SECR ones did.

 

Wagons (especially vans) often lasted 50-60 years in service where few coaches made it past 40. 

 

Some who bought the Hatton's generic coaches find them acceptably "close", while others treat them as pragmatic "place holders" that will be replaced with better if and when such items become available. 

 

I suppose it all depends whether you want something to enjoy running in the meantime..... 

 

Edited September 9 by Dunsignalling

[Tim Dubya]

I've said it before, but if it's a fairytale coach I will not be wasting my money on it.  100% accurate (within the limitations of 4mm scale) vehicles will get my investment.  

[Oldddudders]

3 hours ago, No Decorum said:

We seem to have a mix when it comes to pre-grouping. SECR is very well served and there seems to be progress on the other two Southern constituents. 

I believe the Brighton was not particularly good at churning out multiple copies of the very same vehicle, rendering the choice for an RTR manufacturer a little more difficult.

[2750Papyrus]

3 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

 

I'm not, just don't expect me to buy one unless it's "close enough" for me, too.

 

I'm certainly not capable of executing pre-group coach liveries....

Diagram 3D market a range of GNR coach kits with pre-printed sides.

[Dunsignalling]

8 hours ago, 2750Papyrus said:

Diagram 3D market a range of GNR coach kits with pre-printed sides.

Which is fine if you model the GNR.....

[phil gollin]

13 hours ago, Tim Dubya said:

I've said it before, but if it's a fairytale coach I will not be wasting my money on it.  100% accurate (within the limitations of 4mm scale) vehicles will get my investment.  

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This is a variation on the theme "death before dishonour", it would seem that you would rather die waiting for the "perfect" coach rather than dishonour your model railway with a generic coach !

 

I would GUESS that only the GWR modellers (?) can afford your sort of optimism, but of course the standard, rather dull, GWR loco and coach liveries works against that.

 

Hatton's choice and their success (as far as the released versions went) is a strong indication of the way ahead.

 

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[No Decorum]

12 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

I believe the Brighton was not particularly good at churning out multiple copies of the very same vehicle, rendering the choice for an RTR manufacturer a little more difficult.

Point taken but we’re getting a K and a Baltic tank is such an imposing machine that perhaps it will tempt a manufacturer. Even so, the calls for Gladstone are louder. I’d suggest that the LBSC is better served than many more northerly lines and would be a better bet for a manufacturer to offer wagons and coaches.

 

I would not have thought that brown would be a colour to appeal to me yet I have a failing for Marsh Umber. From time to time, I see a Ford running around in a similar shade and can’t help thinking how much better it would look with a touch of yellow lining. 😁 I’m irrational in many ways. Decades ago, I saw a video of a Terrier (a much loved class) being pushed by an E4, the latter also pulling a train. Ever after, I had a hankering for an E4, then Bachmann flew me to the Moon. 

[No Decorum]

33 minutes ago, phil gollin said:

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This is a variation on the theme "death before dishonour", it would seem that you would rather die waiting for the "perfect" coach rather than dishonour your model railway with a generic coach !

 

I would GUESS that only the GWR modellers (?) can afford your sort of optimism, but of course the standard, rather dull, GWR loco and coach liveries works against that.

 

Hatton's choice and their success (as far as the released versions went) is a strong indication of the way ahead.

 

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Curious that you should mention dying waiting for the perfect model. So often, I have found that it can take many years to build up a decent rake of wagons or for an RTR model to appear to match something else. It’s a long game but I ain’t of an age to play a long game any more. Even so, I won’t “dishonour” my layout with a generic model. They just don’t appeal to me at all. I’d just add that my layout is of a fairly dishonourable nature to begin with.

[Tim Dubya]

56 minutes ago, phil gollin said:

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This is a variation on the theme "death before dishonour", it would seem that you would rather die waiting for the "perfect" coach rather than dishonour your model railway with a generic coach !

 

I would GUESS that only the GWR modellers (?) can afford your sort of optimism, but of course the standard, rather dull, GWR loco and coach liveries works against that.

 

Hatton's choice and their success (as far as the released versions went) is a strong indication of the way ahead.

 

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No, so many incorrect assumptions. You cannot convince me to buy what I consider to be toys, no matter how pretty they are. My, limited, funds go towards (as accurate as possible) scale models.   I already own the LSWR coaches I would like available in rtr but in kit form, I just don't have the skills to build them to the quality I would be happy with at the present time.  Perhaps if my circumstances change I will commission a builder for them and pay the asking price.  Or perhaps, when I fully retire, just crack on.

 

[The Johnster]

An RTR (or any for that matter) model has to convince me to be acceptable on my layout, and the Hatton's Genesis don't quite cut the mustard; that said, they are light years ahead of the Hornbys with their moulded air brake detail.  I want Dean 4-wheelers to make up a miners' workman's based on the Glyncorrwg coaches, and while the Ratio/Parkside all-thirds are not far off, the brake thirds have the wrong number of compartments.  Manufacturers of generic 4-wheelers seem obsessed with balloon end brake 3rds or vans; I understand this, such coaches are pretty to the point of being carriage porn and 'look old' to customers not so concerned with accuracy, but I'll take a raincheck, all the same, thanks...

[hmrspaul]

Simple, if there is a pre-group freight or mix traffic loco available then suitable era brake vans should be produced for them. Something I have said to another manufacturer with some positive result. But, I would suggest the introduction of RTR locos based on earlier types hasn't been well matched with the essential brake van. Quite a plausible commonly seen train, loco and van.

 

Paul