BroadLeaves Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 What you can also do, if you have enough depth, is to bury a small neodymium magnet in the coal load. You can then, once it's all dry, use that, together with a second magnet, to lift it out if you need to. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted August 1, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1, 2022 This kind of thing........... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainsandtravel Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 12 hours ago, BroadLeaves said: What you can also do, if you have enough depth, is to bury a small neodymium magnet in the coal load. You can then, once it's all dry, use that, together with a second magnet, to lift it out if you need to. That is also an excellent idea! Thanks for the tip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainsandtravel Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: This kind of thing........... This is a great video. I might see if I can pick up some old second hand wagons like this to practise on before doing it on the manors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted August 1, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Trainsandtravel said: This is a great video. I might see if I can pick up some old second hand wagons like this to practise on before doing it on the manors. There is this one he did as well 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 It's a nice idea, and could be adapted with small 'Neo magnets' carefully placed on model cranes to lift and remove as well as HoG. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2022 Very neat. Think I would put the weight under the foam board to lower C of G and use a neo magnet on top of the board for removal. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2022 The big question then is what sort of and size of coal do you model? A lot depends on when the loco was running and where it was based. Although not wholly visible look at my photo below at the coal heap in 7808's tender and think what size those lumps would be in 4mm scale - probably 3mm at the most and the majority would be smaller. That's late-ish BR steam, Pre-War there'd be large lumps spme would be 4mm or even a bit larger but most would finish up smaller as they were broken up for firing 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: The big question then is what sort of and size of coal do you model? A lot depends on when the loco was running and where it was based. Although not wholly visible look at my photo below at the coal heap in 7808's tender and think what size those lumps would be in 4mm scale - probably 3mm at the most and the majority would be smaller. That's late-ish BR steam, Pre-War there'd be large lumps spme would be 4mm or even a bit larger but most would finish up smaller as they were broken up for firing Don't forget the dreadful Ovoids Mike. Very post 1960 WR with a lot of dust around as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 GWR (Cheltenham) typical crappy stuff . P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 A nice prewar (1939) photo of a 43XX and coal: https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrt308.htm 1935: https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrt3926.htm 1963: https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbsh1274.htm 1961: https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrsh646.htm Certainly large pieces of 12" or more in the mix but a lot of smaller lumps more the size of a fist. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 Fairly typical heritage stuff. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 Interesting Load! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SteamingWales Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Also this photo (not mine, Flickr link). Note various different coal types 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, SteamingWales said: Also this photo (not mine, Flickr link). Note various different coal types That is very typical IIRC. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 58 minutes ago, melmerby said: A nice prewar (1939) photo of a 43XX and coal: https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrt308.htm Certainly large pieces of 12" or more in the mix but a lot of smaller lumps more the size of a fist. And in 1:76 scale you could easily fit a ringfield motor under that pile! I believe pictures like this are how Hornby got away with such horrors for so long! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 Theres a bit off the best rail steam film ever to see coal in its working day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said: Don't forget the dreadful Ovoids Mike. Very post 1960 WR with a lot of dust around as well. We were at Welshpool the other day. They were using ovoids and having a bad time of it. There were a lot of 'rockets' from the chimney and what stayed on the fire didn't seem to be producing much heat. Even with the engine being allowed to 'make it's own way' up the bank and the driver working the firedoors we still had to stop at the top for the water. I'm not sure if they were the traditional ovoids or whether there were walnut shells or whatever in the mix. It didn't seem appropriate to ask because the crew obviously had their hands full and the timetable was gradually slipping. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, G-BOAF said: And in 1:76 scale you could easily fit a ringfield motor under that pile! I believe pictures like this are how Hornby got away with such horrors for so long! Not just Hornby, the Dean Goods had a Ringfield under a massive stack and that was designed by Airfix, who used Ringfield tender drives. Of course with something like a much taller Stanier tender the same drive didn't need such an unrealistically massive pile. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2022 55 minutes ago, TrevorP1 said: We were at Welshpool the other day. They were using ovoids and having a bad time of it. There were a lot of 'rockets' from the chimney and what stayed on the fire didn't seem to be producing much heat. Even with the engine being allowed to 'make it's own way' up the bank and the driver working the firedoors we still had to stop at the top for the water. I'm not sure if they were the traditional ovoids or whether there were walnut shells or whatever in the mix. It didn't seem appropriate to ask because the crew obviously had their hands full and the timetable was gradually slipping. They might well be some sort of patent smokeless fuel - there seems to be a lot of that about in the traction engine world nowadays due to the difficulty in obtaining proper coal. The problem with the 1960s ovoids was having the fire hot enough to cause them to disintegrate and burn properly but that also caused a lot of dust (which is basically what they were anyway) and meant they had to be mixed with coal if they were to be any real use. Incidentally the recommended coal lump size for optimum firing was 'the size of a man's fist'. Anything bigger had to be broken up with the coal hammer which took time and anything a lot smaller just went straight through the tubes and, hopefully, up the chimney when an engine was working hard 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 We use the smokeless ovoids in our burner at home. Less heat and loads of ash. I tried breaking them up for my 5" locos. Totally useless. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 88C Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2022 The W&L are trialling several types of fuel, needless to say they are not as good as Welsh coal and they cost more as well. Brian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2022 16 hours ago, Trainsandtravel said: This is a great video. I might see if I can pick up some old second hand wagons like this to practise on before doing it on the manors. I was given a couple of packs of Bachmann's ready made resin loads, and this is what I did with them. The white plastic is Wills planked sheet, which minimises any need for marking out. No need for magnets, except with the slope-sided ones, which don't allow the load to tip. Those have a steel wagon weight (CooperCraft?) added to the sandwich, allowing them to be removed using one of those telescopic workshop magnetic retrieval aids. The rest are digitally operated, I just poke one end down with my little finger and pick up the other between thumb and second finger.😀 John 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, 88C said: The W&L are trialling several types of fuel, needless to say they are not as good as Welsh coal and they cost more as well. Brian Yes. Went down on Saturday to red pen ZB2 on the 10.30 from Llanfair. The footplate crew invited me up for a look around. Very nice loco but they weren't impressed with it. They were burning "eggs" which seemed to produce enough steam for the loco. Those "eggs" reminded me of the phurnacite my mum used to put in our Aga back in the 1960s and 1970s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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