woodenhead Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Maybe remove the chicane at the tunnel exit, that used to be one of the overtaking points that the current cars clearly cannot make now as no-one attempted it. Remove the chicane and let them race down that part of the course, it creates a proper DRS zone and lights up the race. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted May 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, woodenhead said: Maybe remove the chicane at the tunnel exit, that used to be one of the overtaking points that the current cars clearly cannot make now as no-one attempted it. Remove the chicane and let them race down that part of the course, it creates a proper DRS zone and lights up the race. Just what me and SWMBO said last night. It's a contrivance at best anyway, hence the only place where track limits apply. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted May 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2021 Or how about turning left along Rue Du Portier all the way to the beach and back - nice long drag for overtakes, another hairpin, big long drag back to the tunnel, there's scope to drop a couple of chicanes in if speeds get too high ... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 1 hour ago, ejstubbs said: There's a difference between being 'involved', and having your opinions listened to and the suggested actions being taken. From the HAM comment in this article it sounds very much as if the latter didn't happen: "There will be some tough discussions with my engineers tonight or maybe after the weekend,” he said. “There are things that should have been done and haven’t been done. It is frustrating, it is what it is. I can’t really say too much because we deal with this as a team and I don’t want to be critical of the team but behind closed doors I will be. We have to work harder." Regarding the tyre strategy for the race - and allowing that it's difficult to know the full context from snippets of radio conversation reported online - HAM's comment reported at 14:46 here: "I dunno, guys. I saved the tyres to go longer and we stopped before everyone," suggests that the tyre strategy was changed on the fly, and he didn't understand why. (Others will no doubt say that he was just whingeing "as usual". As they are free to do, of course.) Well he isn't known for being a good loser, which is one of the things that's made him so great, but does tend to show up when bad weekends happen. He's also not got an especially good record at Monaco, by his standards. Bottas would have been on the podium were it not for the pit stop catastrophe, so it's not like the car was hopelessly outclassed. Lewis just couldn't get it done on this occasion, and that's on him - it's not like he'd have won if they'd done the strategy differently. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Max Mosley dies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57232681 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Wheel nut is still stuck on Bottas's car. Having had a similar experience in the last week with my locking wheel nuts they have my sympathy. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.mercedes-reveal-bottas-wheel-is-still-stuck-on-his-car-and-can-only-be.4MzMmDArL1l4WsMqZm4A7X.html 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Can anyone remember the last time The Vet beat Lewis fair and square in a race? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Andrew P said: Can anyone remember the last time The Vet beat Lewis fair and square in a race? Yesterday! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, didcot said: Max Mosley dies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57232681 Ah, they've corrected it now. When I read it a few minutes ago, it mentioned his links to Brian Ecclestone..... Edited May 24, 2021 by RJS1977 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 21 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said: You could tailor the rules to suit Monaco: banning wings & reducing engines to 0.6L The only way you'd get overtaking at Monaco would be to reduce the width of the cars. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Hobby said: The only way you'd get overtaking at Monaco would be to reduce the width of the cars. One Go Cart Race a Year in the Championships. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I do think their is an opportunity to do something different with Monaco. It is virtually un-raceable with the current F1 cars so why not bin it off then turn the event into the end of season party, no points available but you get £2m increase in your prize money/budget cap for the winning team. Create a few different events with points available: - 1 car on track at a time, fastest car around a lap earns 5 points, only top 5 earn points (2nd gets 4, 3rd 3 etc) - 10 lap sprint race starting in reverse order - 5 points to the winner, top 5 only (as above) - Pit stop challenge - Both drivers from the team have to change a front wheel each on a car at same time - 5 points for the fastest driver, 10 points to the fastest team (both drivers times added together) Yes it is contrived fun/ away from the DNA but then so is continuing with this procession. If I want to see a train of cars going slowly through a nice city backdrop, stuck in traffic, not able to overtake then I can just go into Bath. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 22 hours ago, didcot said: Max Mosley dies https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57232681 Max Mosley did have short history of driving in the higher levels of open wheel formula racing before he went on to form March Engineering with his three partners in 1969. https://www.driverdb.com/drivers/max-mosley/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 That's a ludicrous idea, but something along those lines might have some merit. Some kind of F1 based party event to take advantage of the things that Monaco is good for, whilst forgetting the "race" itself couldn't be any less entertaining than the actual race. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted May 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 25, 2021 Like..... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 21 hours ago, Andrew P said: One Go Cart Race a Year in the Championships. That would be excellent, way more fun for the drivers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 One knackered wheel nut. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 In some of the videos I've seen now you can see the shards of metal flying off as the wheel gun ground the nut away. Kind of feels silly it should be the nut that is made of the weaker metal. If the gun's teeth had been stripped they'd been able to just swap guns. Not sure if they'd end up with more issues with stripped guns though 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 26, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2021 I anticipate that at Baku Bottas will have re-designed nuts..... 1 1 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted May 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: I anticipate that at Baku Bottas will have re-designed nuts..... I think some of the team might too after Lewis finishes with his behind the scenes debrief ........ 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 2 hours ago, LNERandBR said: In some of the videos I've seen now you can see the shards of metal flying off as the wheel gun ground the nut away. Kind of feels silly it should be the nut that is made of the weaker metal. If the gun's teeth had been stripped they'd been able to just swap guns. Not sure if they'd end up with more issues with stripped guns though It may be that they feel this was a 1-off & unlikely to happen again. but Red Bull have consistently been faster in pit stops & are the only team so far to get a car moving again in less than 2s. Surely it is easier to find 0.5s in a pit stop than it is to find the same in track time over a lap? Other teams need to catch up. If they don't, they will lose a position at some point. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 26, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2021 ISTR there used to be a pit-stop challenge, at which Williams excelled. Covid may have stopped that last season and this. It is easy to imagine that practising pit-stops is 'free' at the factory, but no doubt the circs are unrepresentative of a race, since the metal is all stone cold and clean and there is no pressure. Few of us would want to be in their shoes, I suspect. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 33 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: Red Bull have consistently been faster in pit stops & are the only team so far to get a car moving again in less than 2s. Surely it is easier to find 0.5s in a pit stop than it is to find the same in track time over a lap? A quick search shows Ferrari have done a sub 2 sec one as well... As regards times, a driver can easily lose half a second in a lap with a slight misjudgement so perhaps it's not normally so important. It's only important if the driver can't overtake the one in front (Monaco!) and so they are trying the undercut to get ahead, even then it's risky as things can go wrong on cool tyres... It's all part of the race strategy, I'd suggest that the timing of when the pit stop takes place is far more important than the half second or so difference on the stop itself as Merc and RB have proved over the years... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Hobby said: A quick search shows Ferrari have done a sub 2 sec one as well... As regards times, a driver can easily lose half a second in a lap with a slight misjudgement so perhaps it's not normally so important. It's only important if the driver can't overtake the one in front (Monaco!) and so they are trying the undercut to get ahead, even then it's risky as things can go wrong on cool tyres... It's all part of the race strategy, I'd suggest that the timing of when the pit stop takes place is far more important than the half second or so difference on the stop itself as Merc and RB have proved over the years... And, as Lewis was reminded last weekend, it's not just the timing of your own pit stop that matters.... John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Gareth Collier said: One knackered wheel nut. I have now found that I keep singing this to the tune of "Guantanamera". 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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