kwste Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Unfortunately, the end of the LNER brake coach is not painted properly and the light shines through. the whole part is made of clear plastic and the light is only blocked by the paint. Two of the coaches had difficulty turning on the lights. But in both cases it was due to the battery contacts. Aristoteles Held 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, kwste said: Unfortunately, the end of the LNER brake coach is not painted properly and the light shines through. the whole part is made of clear plastic and the light is only blocked by the paint. Prototypical ghost train - explains the weird brake end for a LNER vehicle. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 51 minutes ago, kwste said: Unfortunately, the end of the LNER brake coach is not painted properly and the light shines through. the whole part is made of clear plastic and the light is only blocked by the paint. Paint it black on the inside? 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 22 hours ago, Butler Henderson said: If the problem is the reed switch triggering then the Dukedog motor is presumably emitting a magnetic field - suggest draping foil over the Dukedog which might be sufficient to cut out the field. If it does stop the problem then the fun commences in trying to provide a shield in either the Dukedog or the coach, or both. Certainly not kitchen foil as that is made from aluminium and will pass magnetism. You need a mu-metal shield 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeadavo Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Running on my main layout today, had issues with both of my carriages turning their lights on and off by themselves, it seems to occur over power feeds and points. Really disappointed with the lighting, I really liked the idea, especially running on DC that lighting would stay on when stopped at a station. But am really considering returning them as they do not work as they should. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwste Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: Innen schwarz streichen? Brown like the other interior walls. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, kwste said: Unfortunately, the end of the LNER brake coach is not painted properly and the light shines through. the whole part is made of clear plastic and the light is only blocked by the paint. Two of the coaches had difficulty turning on the lights. But in both cases it was due to the battery contacts. Aristoteles Held What about a piece of thin card cut to the shape of the end and with cut outs for the windows and printed with the interior details? Edited January 31, 2021 by PhilJ W 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwste Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 That would surely work too. But painting corresponds to what Hornby probably didn't quite finish. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, kwste said: Brown like the other interior walls. Noch besser! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, kwste said: Unfortunately, the end of the LNER brake coach is not painted properly and the light shines through. the whole part is made of clear plastic and the light is only blocked by the paint. Two of the coaches had difficulty turning on the lights. But in both cases it was due to the battery contacts. Aristoteles Held Cutting and shutting onto a bogie frame would make them a terrific "pre-grouping" EMU... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Think I might have inadvertently found the cause of the lights self triggering off or on. With a view of changing the roof fittings I decided it would be advisable to temporarily remove the lights so that a drill does not damage the pcb. With both fitting screws removed the pcb was still tight on the mountings and needed levering off them which resulted in it falling out onto the floor and the lights came on. Picking it up I gave it a shake and the lights went off. So it seems a jerk in the motion of a train or a bounce on a frog or poorly aligned rail joint could be enough to trigger them. The pcb incidentally does not include another magnet as I and others thought. It has six resistors (4 1k ohm, presumably one per LED), two transistors and an IC. The pcb has also has markings for a number of components that are not fitted; a further IC, two resistors, a diode and a capacitor Edited January 31, 2021 by Butler Henderson 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Noch besser! But Noch don't make four- or six-wheel coaches — not even German ones… 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 I wonder whether the circuit is just a flip flop? The reed contact wont be latching so probably just being used as a momentary switch to "flip" states between on & off. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said: Think I might have inadvertently found the cause of the lights self triggering off or on. With a view of changing the roof fittings I decided it would be advisable to temporarily remove the lights so that a drill does not damage the pcb. With both fitting screws removed the pcb was still tight on the mountings and needed levering off them which resulted in it falling out onto the floor and the lights came on. Picking it up I gave it a shake and the lights went off. So it seems a jerk in the motion of a train or a bounce on a frog or poorly aligned rail joint could be enough to trigger them. The pcb incidentally does not include another magnet as I and others thought. It has six resistors (4 1k ohm, presumably one per LED), two transistors and an IC. The pcb has also has markings for a number of components that are not fitted; a further IC, two resistors, a diode and a capacitor Fascinating. A little magnet on the reed switch to convert it into a latching one and you'd get much simpler electronics - and from the sound of things something rather more reliable. 4 hours ago, melmerby said: You need a mu-metal shield Or metglas 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, melmerby said: I wonder whether the circuit is just a flip flop? Definitely and the reed switch needs a reasonably stable mount; wondering if the PCB was fitted with a sprung mounting that might stop the false triggering. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said: Definitely and the reed switch needs a reasonably stable mount; wondering if the PCB was fitted with a sprung mounting that might stop the false triggering. Might also be how accurately the Reed switch is mounted, one would assume if it were “side oriented” the up and down jerking motion wouldn’t affect it so much, you may have to use the magnet at one side of the roof though rather than directly above.....? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 27/01/2021 at 14:04, DrStroganoff said: it only seems to be doing it when running with my Bachmann Dukedog (which runs like a bit of a dog) 4 hours ago, Butler Henderson said: So it seems a jerk in the motion of a train or a bounce on a frog or poorly aligned rail joint could be enough to trigger them. That seems to be a match. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeadavo Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Video review of a couple of the carriages, for a look at the lighting skip to 02:10. The first class carriage has the awful bleed down its sides, showing the shape of the seating, while the 3rd class brake doesn't, but does have the bleed through the end of the carriage. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, boxbrownie said: Might also be how accurately the Reed switch is mounted, The one on mine is around is slightly off the horizontal for its switch but I can imagine they vary widely in their orientation 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted January 31, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 27/01/2021 at 22:05, GreenGiraffe22 said: Stumbled on this photo this evening! Thought it might be of interest, a good mix in that train Must be a fake photo, there's a white roof in there... 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 46 minutes ago, 57xx said: Must be a fake photo, there's a white roof in there... Haha what I love about it is Southern (by which I mean various southern based pre group railways ) are pretty renoun for using sets but that seems to be put together with what ever they had lying around in the sidings 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 11 hours ago, 57xx said: Must be a fake photo, there's a white roof in there... 11 hours ago, GreenGiraffe22 said: Haha what I love about it is Southern (by which I mean various southern based pre group railways ) are pretty renowned for using sets but that seems to be put together with what ever they had lying around in the sidings That's an interesting photo, as the train contains both Stroudley and Billinton stock, and it clearly demonstrates the difference in roof height between the two designers' output. The first and last full brakes are Stroudley, as is the centre six wheel first, with white upper panels, the rest are Billinton, inclduing oneof his unusual double ended brake vans. From what I have seen of the photos, running Hattons and Hornby stock together will give the same mixed appearance, as the former's roof profile appears to be higher than Hornby's. The Brighton certainly did like keeping things in sets, but, as you say, there were plenty of loose vehicles lying around to create scratch trains for specials or excursions. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trade Member BlueLightning Posted February 1, 2021 Trade Member Share Posted February 1, 2021 Suppose I had best start compiling my thoughts on these, first impressions are positive though. Gary 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, BlueLightning said: Suppose I had best start compiling my thoughts on these, first impressions are positive though. Probably better you than me. With me it'd be pride and prejudice! 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2021 I would try to apply sense and sesnibility. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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