RMweb Gold Ruston Posted January 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2021 Regarding the BR NE Region Civil Engineer's version, numbered 84 (above) - I hope what we are seeing in the pictures is only a computer-generated image because they have got that one wrong. The Hornby image shows it as the 20-ton version, with the side weights but all those supplied to the NE Region were 17-ton (without the side weights) and I have photographic evidence to back this up on 82,83, 84 and 85. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben B Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, nathan70000 said: Actually the DVLR is very model-able and I'm surprised it's not more popular. Out of the current roster we have the two Rustons as well as the blue 03 from Bachmann. Presumably it would be easy to renumber it as 03079. Going back a bit, they used 04s repainted in company livery as well as loaned 08s (I think?). The preserved J72 and Hardwicke operated excursion trains, again from the Bachmann stable. Oh I agree about it being a good plan for modelling- Paul Lunn did an excellent article in Model Rail some years ago. We rode the line a couple of times back in 2019, nice atmosphere and a surprising amount crammed into a small site. Pretty much a prototype micro layout with set-track 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted January 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, nathan70000 said: Actually the DVLR is very model-able and I'm surprised it's not more popular. Out of the current roster we have the two Rustons as well as the blue 03 from Bachmann. Presumably it would be easy to renumber it as 03079. Going back a bit, they used 04s repainted in company livery as well as loaned 08s (I think?). The preserved J72 and Hardwicke operated excursion trains, again from the Bachmann stable. 03079 is one of those with a cut down cab to fit under a bridge on the IOW from when it was allocated there for engineering work. You'd have to repaint the NSE liveried 03179, which was the other cut down IOW one (the model sort of reflects that, though the cab windows don't go quite high enough), and remove the air braking equipment (079 vac only, 179 dual). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 16:57, PaulRhB said: I’m disappointed there’s not a fruit pastille or smarties van to go with it! Well since you mention it - matching prototype stock 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben B Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 06/01/2021 at 17:20, doctor quinn said: Well since you mention it - matching prototype stock You'd get a few fruit gums in that 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, Ben B said: You'd get a few fruit gums in that Nah, they stopped doing that fairly quickly as they kept sticking to the sides of the hopper. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Does that mean it's a chew chew train? Hat and coat already on..... 1 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 06/01/2021 at 17:20, doctor quinn said: Well since you mention it - matching prototype stock There was also this, which like most of the redundant Rowntree's stock was passed to the NYMR. If memory serves it was painted light grey. http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=7361 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Oh, and before the arrival of the 21t hoppers, Rowntree's had several of these. Three of them also went to the Moors, where one was cannibalised for spares, one donated its underframe to a cattle wagon body, and one was vac fitted for the transport of shed ash from Grosmont to New Bridge before being sold to Rocks by Rail. It is now at Hunsbury Hill. https://www.rocks-by-rail.org/2013/01/18/wagon-reveals-its-spots-hopper-update-ii-2/ http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=7359 Edited January 8, 2021 by papagolfjuliet 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 06/01/2021 at 14:30, Ruston said: Regarding the BR NE Region Civil Engineer's version, numbered 84 (above) - I hope what we are seeing in the pictures is only a computer-generated image because they have got that one wrong. The Hornby image shows it as the 20-ton version, with the side weights but all those supplied to the NE Region were 17-ton (without the side weights) and I have photographic evidence to back this up on 82,83, 84 and 85. If it's inaccurate, then I'll feel less heretical about buying one and scraping "NORTH" off the sides... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, papagolfjuliet said: Oh, and before the arrival of the 21t hoppers, Rowntree's had several of these. Three of them also went to the Moors, where one was cannibalised for spares, one donated its underframe to a cattle wagon body, and one was vac fitted for the transport of shed ash from Grosmont to New Bridge before being sold to Rocks by Rail. It is now at Hunsbury Hill. https://www.rocks-by-rail.org/2013/01/18/wagon-reveals-its-spots-hopper-update-ii-2/ http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=7359 That’s interesting, I did wonder what Rowntrees used before second hand HTOs. The HTOs were used to move coal from a stockpile to the boiler house. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I missed this until i saw it in Railway Modeller- But I've already got one.... Having said that, even stuffed full of lead it isn't really heavy enough to cope with odd track deficiencies- with hindsight perhaps I should have sacrificed some weight for a stay alive. I wonder if there will be room for a stay alive in the Hornby one. With my track it would need it.... Les 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Les1952 said: I missed this until i saw it in Railway Modeller- But I've already got one.... Having said that, even stuffed full of lead it isn't really heavy enough to cope with odd track deficiencies- with hindsight perhaps I should have sacrificed some weight for a stay alive. I wonder if there will be room for a stay alive in the Hornby one. With my track it would need it.... Les There's room in the 48DS for a stay alive so it shouldn't be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJMorley Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Lets hope Hornby get the 'Ferret & Dartboard' the right way round for the release on No.84.... Also confirmed is @Ruston's point about the side weights, this photo does have them distinctively lacking. Brandon. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ruston Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2021 8 hours ago, BJMorley said: Lets hope Hornby get the 'Ferret & Dartboard' the right way round for the release on No.84.... Also confirmed is @Ruston's point about the side weights, this photo does have them distinctively lacking. Brandon. And the front of the engine casing isn't painted black, as the Hornby model seems to be. I can't think why Hornby would paint this black, even if the loco did have it at some time. If they cover the front with black then any one could do that for themselves, if they wish, but how many of us can apply lining to a high enough standard to match the rest of the model? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ruston said: And the front of the engine casing isn't painted black, as the Hornby model seems to be. I can't think why Hornby would paint this black, even if the loco did have it at some time. If they cover the front with black then any one could do that for themselves, if they wish, but how many of us can apply lining to a high enough standard to match the rest of the model? Even clearer on this : - (Copyright unknown) John Isherwood. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium pete_mcfarlane Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2021 The NER engineer ones look like they're painted in the standard Ruston lined green livery, with BR lettering applied on top. So should these and the Rowntree ones be painted the same shade of green? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, pete_mcfarlane said: The NER engineer ones look like they're painted in the standard Ruston lined green livery, with BR lettering applied on top. So should these and the Rowntree ones be painted the same shade of green? I'd agree with that - the photographs suggest a green far closer to LNER rather than GWR. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 So then, the picture of 20 as deilvered (p.2) - is that BR green? (Much as I'd like it to be black, I'm guesing that's unlined green). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2021 6 hours ago, cctransuk said: Even clearer on this : - (Copyright unknown) John Isherwood. Interesting that the photo is not, as I suspected, one of the loco as just delivered - there is a nasty great dent on the corner of the radiator housing. This suggests that at least part of the loco has been repainted / relined in the standard Ruston livery. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Islesy Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 hours ago, pete_mcfarlane said: The NER engineer ones look like they're painted in the standard Ruston lined green livery, with BR lettering applied on top. So should these and the Rowntree ones be painted the same shade of green? A selection of crops from unedited photographs to (hopefully) help you decide... 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: Interesting that the photo is not, as I suspected, one of the loco as just delivered - there is a nasty great dent on the corner of the radiator housing. This suggests that at least part of the loco has been repainted / relined in the standard Ruston livery. John Isherwood. Is it a dent? It might be a reflection like on the other side panels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ruston Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Islesy said: A selection of crops from unedited photographs to (hopefully) help you decide... The light green lining on 83 certainly suggests standard Ruston & Hornsby livery of the time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted January 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, PhilJ W said: Is it a dent? It might be a reflection like on the other side panels. I'd put good money on a dent - I can't see how you'd get that effect otherwise. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Thanks to Islesy for the image of 20 - I want to say that's faded black rather than green, but YMMV... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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