PenrithBeacon Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, 5050 said: You would still be left with a relatively expensive OO chassis to find a new home for. There are always bring and buys! P4 modelling is always damned expensive! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 92912 Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2020 If anyone needs to justify running one of these on the "main-line" this is Jacks Green scampering along the East Coast Main Line south of Peterborough on its way from Nassington Quarry to the Peterborough Sugar Factory https://jpsgallery.zenfolio.com/p127423666/hf0fe1f58#hf0fe1f58 And a photo of a well weathered Ring Haw at Nassington, both photo's by M. Bratley https://jpsgallery.zenfolio.com/p127423666/hf019a40c#hf019a40c 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 02/12/2020 at 14:40, 5050 said: Granted, but it will depend on how the gears are fitted/formed. If they are separate sprockets fitted onto a 1/8" axle then they may be removable and fitted to a 1/8" axle such as the AG ones. If however they are moulded as a one piece central section of a 3-part axle (with possible split frame current collection) then conversion - without an awful lot of work - is well nigh impossible. I'd have thought that gears moulded into the central section of a 3-part axle would be pretty easy to convert - 3D print a new central section that's slightly longer, and swap that for the original? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I may be missing something somewhere, but I’m struggling to see how to buy one of these, where can advance orders be placed? I’m not too familiar with Rapido so never bought anything of theirs, are they direct sales or via shops? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, RANGERS said: I may be missing something somewhere, but I’m struggling to see how to buy one of these, where can advance orders be placed? I’m not too familiar with Rapido so never bought anything of theirs, are they direct sales or via shops? Pre orders aren’t open yet as they are still trying to open a uk business account, this is the taster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Pre orders aren’t open yet as they are still trying to open a uk business account, this is the taster Hopefully with the second lockdown in the UK slowly ending maybe it won't be too much longer till they're able to and open up the pre-orders as I am verrry tempted to pre-order some of these and possibly a 15xx or 3 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 54 minutes ago, Nick C said: I'd have thought that gears moulded into the central section of a 3-part axle would be pretty easy to convert - 3D print a new central section that's slightly longer, and swap that for the original? You consider that easy? There's also the need to make new part axles to fit the EM/P4 wheels onto - providing of course that the axle holes/bearing surfaces are 1/8" - and to ensure they are able to fit tightly onto the new centre section. All in all definitely not 'pretty easy'! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, 5050 said: You consider that easy? There's also the need to make new part axles to fit the EM/P4 wheels onto - providing of course that the axle holes/bearing surfaces are 1/8" - and to ensure they are able to fit tightly onto the new centre section. All in all definitely not 'pretty easy'! just go and be very nice to Mike Edge.. but teh chassis for the Judith Edge Kit is part of the whole loco etch.. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, 5050 said: You consider that easy? There's also the need to make new part axles to fit the EM/P4 wheels onto - providing of course that the axle holes/bearing surfaces are 1/8" - and to ensure they are able to fit tightly onto the new centre section. All in all definitely not 'pretty easy'! Converting a chassis designed like this is a big no no, it's a matter of discarding and starting again. As welcome as this model is, if the chassis comes out as it is currently proposed I think I will wait until a finescale chassis, etched or 3D printed, is available. There are plenty of small shunting engines available nowadays, there is no need to buy a model just because it's 'nice to have'. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: there is no need to buy a model just because it's 'nice to have'. Oh I dunno, need is a subjective term when it comes to a desirable object 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Barry O said: just go and be very nice to Mike Edge.. but teh chassis for the Judith Edge Kit is part of the whole loco etch.. Baz I'm always nice to him Just hedging my bets...................... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) If there's a commercially justifiable level of demand for conversion kits, there are a number of "finescale" suppliers who are perfectly capable of making replacement gears and axles to fit anything Rapido produce and accept existing ranges of aftermarket wheels. The real issue is that they'll need Rapido to create a uniform standard of their own if (as seems likely) they shun the established ones. John Edited December 4, 2020 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I’d already sold on my two Centre Models versions and was pondering the sale of two Impetus kits in favour of another JE to add to the one which has languished, part-built, on the shelf for way too long. This has spun a bit of a curved ball towards my target of modelling the two Nassington locos. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, RANGERS said: I may be missing something somewhere, but I’m struggling to see how to buy one of these, where can advance orders be placed? I’m not too familiar with Rapido so never bought anything of theirs, are they direct sales or via shops? Both (eventually). If you have a favourite shop you like to deal with, ask them if they will be carrying the Rapido products - Rapido UK have a contact form on their website for interested retailers to contact them about it https://rapidotrains.co.uk/retailers/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2020 15 hours ago, 5050 said: I'm always nice to him Just hedging my bets...................... I'll remember that..... As Barry says we can't supply the frames separately at the moment but it won't be difficult to produce a P4/EM kit in the same way we did for the Janus. It does depend on how the eventual rtr model is designed and how it comes apart though - the same process turned out to be impossible with the Heljan 05. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Michael Edge said: I'll remember that..... As Barry says we can't supply the frames separately at the moment but it won't be difficult to produce a P4/EM kit in the same way we did for the Janus. It does depend on how the eventual rtr model is designed and how it comes apart though - the same process turned out to be impossible with the Heljan 05. Any chance that you might team up with Chris Gibbon and include a gearbox? All other things being equal of course... Please? I’m thinking of the way you paired up for the Ruston 48DS which worked out very well. Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2020 We only do that for the chain drive Rustons which required special units to drive both axles, the 16" will take a variety of High Level gearboxes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I would have ordered one of these, but the power train is a no no to convert to P4. It’s an expensive way to have a loco when buying the RTR .loco and then a Mike Edge chassis. So I am buying one of the Victory class to be introduced by Planet as it has a conventional power train. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 06/12/2020 at 20:49, Norton961 said: I would have ordered one of these, but the power train is a no no to convert to P4. It’s an expensive way to have a loco when buying the RTR .loco and then a Mike Edge chassis. So I am buying one of the Victory class to be introduced by Planet as it has a conventional power train. Ultimately David I think both routes you've suggested will be expensive or time consuming (or both). The added complication here is that we're talking about models nobody has handled yet - I would say it's questionable whether the PI Kerr Stuart will have sufficient clearance behind the crosshead for P4 without surgery (or indeed, an etched chassis). Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexl102 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I'm absolutely delighted by this announcement; I've been hoping for someone to do a model of these for years! Price will be a big problem for me but it seems this is the going rate (before anyone says it, the EFE models are well overpriced, no matter how good they are). I'll just have to get saving! Really excited that it will use some die-cast construction too. Re: EM/P4 conversion... as others have said, EM/P4 is a tiny proportion of the market and it probably doesn't make any sense for Rapido to spend significantly more money and time developing a model that can be easily converted for the sake of the tiny number of examples that will be bought with that in mind. Thanks Andy & Rapido for bringing a much-wanted model to the market Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapido staff rapidoandy Posted February 5, 2021 Author Rapido staff Share Posted February 5, 2021 Afternoon everyone. Those of you signed up to our newsletter will have just received their latest edition - inducing an update on the 16" Hunlset. We have put together a short video showing some of the work so far and the various details for you all to enjoy: Take care, Andy 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B661Sutton Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 hours ago, rapidoandy said: Afternoon everyone. Those of you signed up to our newsletter will have just received their latest edition - inducing an update on the 16" Hunlset. We have put together a short video showing some of the work so far and the various details for you all to enjoy: Take care, Andy Certainly beats my kit built one (a Judith Edge kit if you're interested). 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 CAD looking fantastic. Nice rendering of the backhead injectors and the lubricator plumbing is a nice touch too. Paul A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) On 05/12/2020 at 09:58, Michael Edge said: it won't be difficult to produce a P4/EM kit in the same way we did for the Janus. It does depend on how the eventual rtr model is designed and how it comes apart though - the same process turned out to be impossible with the Heljan 05. Now that we've seen the way that the 16XX has been put together, I am wondering if the Hunslet will be done in a similar manner? If so, then as Mike Edge has intimated, there may be little sense in producing a separate chassis kit, because the 16XX, certainly isn't a simple case of undoing a couple of screws and just taking the complete body off, as with (say) a Bachmann pannier. With the 16XX, to get a complete body only, 'Bachmann style', you would have to dismantle all the major components of the loco and re-assemble the body only parts, this being made more challenging, due to the fact that the smokebox saddle and firebox sides appear to be part of one integral casting, in which the motor and worm wheel is also contained. The CAD video that Rapido Andy put up is fantastic and looks to be a lovely model of a pretty little prototype. There seems to be full daylight under the boiler, with no obvious place to put the final drive on either the leading or middle axles, possibly pointing towards it being on the rear axle. I have gone on at length (sorry, Rapido) about the 16XX on that particular thread but I still applaud Rapido for their decisions to produce their own range of UK steam locos. If the Hunslet (and the 15XX, for that matter) are put together in the same way as the 16XX, then clearly this is entirely Rapido's decision and I accept that this may be for entirely legitimate manufacturing and engineering reasons, in which case I would respectfully suggest to all those wanting an EM or P4 model of either prototype, to simply build the relevant kit (Judith Edge for the Hunslet and NuCast Partners for the 15XX). It won't stop me buying a Hunslet when they come out, though. I already have an unbuilt Judith Edge kit for the Hunslet, which I was going to build in OO, so the Rapido one was going to be converted to P4. If this proves problematic, however, I would be a case of building the Judith Edge kit in P4 and keeping the Rapido model in OO. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I make no claim that any manufacturer should consider the needs of EM and P4 modellers. I accept that we are a tiny, tiny minority of the overall market and to make any manufacturing or engineering concessions for our needs make no commercial sense whatsoever, unless they can be commercially justified. Edited March 2, 2021 by Captain Kernow 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 It sounds like Rapido is using the same type of mechanism as they have used for their Royal Hudson and the upcoming CPR D10 in HO. It would make sense for them to use the same mechanism in any UK steam. Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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