RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted October 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2022 There appears to be a short thread on Morris & Griffin who owned Usk Chemical Works 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted October 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 hours ago, MrWolf said: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Morris_and_Griffin Found them, I think. The question is however, what on earth would they have wanted a flat wagon for? Animal carcasses? How about a tarpaulin with some cattle legs sticking out? As you can probably tell, I have no idea. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted October 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2022 Intriguingly, it is a model of an actual wagon though. https://hmrs.org.uk/-acg829--morris---griffin--newport--10t-platform-wagon-no--1--op--side-spoked-wheels--ssdbk.html 3 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 Thanks for that, I can see that I have basically two options: 1. Buy the book and attempt a model of the sludge tank. 2. Put a crate on it and praise the gods for wagon sheets. The next question being: I presume that it would be a sheet belonging to the company and not the railway? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted October 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2022 Do you think it is connected to this company? http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Museum/OtherTrades/BCN/CeresWorks.htm If so, then the wagon might have carried bales of flax or hemp, or finished tarpaulins. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) I would suggest barrel's as they were fairly ubiquitous and could contain a variety of materials. Anything from animal parts through to raw minerals. So you could throw a tarpaulin over them but leaving enough showing so that the bottom could still be seen. Edited October 23, 2022 by Winslow Boy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted October 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 hours ago, MrWolf said: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Morris_and_Griffin Found them, I think. The question is however, what on earth would they have wanted a flat wagon for? 32 minutes ago, teaky said: Intriguingly, it is a model of an actual wagon though. https://hmrs.org.uk/-acg829--morris---griffin--newport--10t-platform-wagon-no--1--op--side-spoked-wheels--ssdbk.html I was going to say that the rtr manus are renowned for applying real liveires on inappropriate wagons until Teaky pulled out that gem. So none the wiser I'm afraid. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2022 I'm fairly sure that the Morris & Griffin wagon was built for internal use, I'm afraid, although it was possibly for a traffic for which the local railway company was unable to provide a wagon. But I'm afraid I cannot see what circumstances would bring it to rural Herefordshire. It's a bit of a mystery. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 If it's a mystery, we had better go with a crate for a load, at least it will take some of the pressure off the good folks of Little Muddle.... 5 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, MrWolf said: If it's a mystery, we had better go with a crate for a load, at least it will take some of the pressure off the good folks of Little Muddle.... Oh Oh Oh pick me Sir! The crate contains ingredients for the hot pot. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 Hot pot of what? Or shouldn't I ask? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) Grace's Guide suggests a link with the Wolverhampton firm of Griffin, Morris, & Griffin, of which there are more details here: http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Museum/OtherTrades/BCN/CeresWorks.htm Grace's Guide itself reproduces a delightful account of the not-too-wild party held to mark the installation of new plant in 1862: "Besides the workmen, a number of females, who are employed in different departments at the Ceres Works, were entertained by the firm, on Tuesday. The repast was a most bountiful one, and was supplemented by an excellent dessert, which, being unexpected, was, almost of necessity, the more heartily enjoyed. The room where the men were feasted was tastefully decorated, and a party of musicians — the Wolverhampton Saxhorn Classic Band — were engaged for the occasion. Both men and women were respectably attired, and conducted themselves with marked propriety throughout the proceedings." The Wolverhampton saxhorn band wasn't the only one of its kind in the area in the 1860s - there was one at Pensnett: https://www.blackcountrysociety.com/post/the-pensnett-victoria-saxhorn-band Perhaps they were all the rage? Some skillful marketing by Adolphe sax's firm? Edited October 23, 2022 by Compound2632 3 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Graham T said: You appear to have 100 people following your adventures in Aston on Clun. Wow! Does that mean I am an internet influencer? Should I affect pantomime horse fake eyelashes and get into equally fake arguments with other Z list nobodies? Actually, I would like to thank everyone who thinks that my thread is worth following. With the caveat that if you dropped in out of interest over what I was modelling, you can be forgiven for peering behind the curtain. If you actively chose to follow this mentally unstable eclectic rubbish then it's on you. There will be some actual modelling shortly, I promise! 13 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Grace's Guide suggests a link with the Wolverhampton firm of Griffin, Morris, & Griffin, of which there are more details here: http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Museum/OtherTrades/BCN/CeresWorks.htm Grace's Guide itself reproduces a delightful account of the not-too-wild party held to mark the installation of new plant in 1862: "Besides the workmen, a number of females, who are employed in different departments at the Ceres Works, were entertained by the firm, on Tuesday. The repast was a most bountiful one, and was supplemented by an excellent dessert, which, being unexpected, was, almost of necessity, the more heartily enjoyed. The room where the men were feasted was tastefully decorated, and a party of musicians — the Wolverhampton Saxhorn Classic Band — were engaged for the occasion. Both men and women were respectably attired, and conducted themselves with marked propriety throughout the proceedings." The Wolverhampton saxhorn band wasn't the only one of its kind in the area in the 1860s - there was one at Pensnett: https://www.blackcountrysociety.com/post/the-pensnett-victoria-saxhorn-band Perhaps they were all the rage? Some skillful marketing by Adolphe sax's firm? Interesting stuff and it reminds me that the memsahib scolded me when we first met over the fact that although her saxophones are made of brass, they're actually a woodwind instrument. Apparently that is a bigger sin than confusing Star Wars with Star Trek.... 4 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, MrWolf said: Hot pot of what? Or shouldn't I ask? If you have to ask well let's just leave there shall we 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, MrWolf said: Interesting stuff and it reminds me that the memsahib scolded me when we first met over the fact that although her saxophones are made of brass, they're actually a woodwind instrument. Apparently that is a bigger sin than confusing Star Wars with Star Trek.... May the force beam me up Scotty. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Winslow Boy said: May the force beam me up Scotty. That is illogical, Skywalker... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) Science fiction that a wolf can relate to. I never really believed that the memsahib was from Cheshire... Edited October 23, 2022 by MrWolf Picture no load. 3 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 24, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Both men and women were respectably attired, and conducted themselves with marked propriety throughout the proceedings. How boring. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 53 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: How boring. Not really, In a world that celebrates rank ugliness in all its deviant forms, it's rather nice to attend a genteel event where you have to dress up and be on your best behaviour. It's a form of escapism. Even if someone does give you a backhanded compliment by saying that you both look like you just stepped off the set of Casino Royale.... 4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 24, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, MrWolf said: Not really, In a world that celebrates rank ugliness in all its deviant forms, it's rather nice to attend a genteel event where you have to dress up and be on your best behaviour. It's a form of escapism. Even if someone does give you a backhanded compliment by saying that you both look like you just stepped off the set of Casino Royale.... Quite right Rob. In my haste I left out a smiley and failed to press the irony button. Having said that, it's quite good fun dressing up and not being on your best behaviour... 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Quite right Rob. In my haste I left out a smiley and failed to press the irony button. I did think that being you, you were saying that works "do's" are never like in the movies. 😉 12 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Having said that, it's quite good fun dressing up and not being on your best behaviour... It certainly is. I think that it was Noel Cowerd who said something along the lines of "How come the bad guys always get the nicest uniforms?" 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Boy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, MrWolf said: I did think that being you, you were saying that works "do's" are never like in the movies. 😉 It certainly is. I think that it was Noel Cowerd who said something along the lines of "How come the bad guys always get the nicest uniforms?" I thought that was Mae West. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 "There are no good girls gone wrong, just bad girls found out" Mae West. 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted October 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2022 You have reminded me of the BBC Sci Fi series ‘A for Andromeda’ , Julie Christie being the desirable alien creature. Essential viewing then! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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