RMweb Premium Kris Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2020 Cornwall Council have asked Network rail to upgrade the network between Truro and St Austell to allow for Falmouth to Newquay services. http://railnews.mobi/news/2020/10/28-upgrade-scheme-unveiled-for-cornish.html?fbclid=IwAR0PeoChrg4SBOKHoEOFDnuGs3PGehkGywaIJAF1GXPYGqg7HMZ7_5mQ0N8 I do wonder how many people would actually use these services and whether this is a good use of money. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 What needs to be 'upgraded'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted October 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: What needs to be 'upgraded'? I think that it would need additional signalling to be able to reduce headways/create more paths. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 From that link: The Bid Notice says: ‘The greater Newquay area is seeing a growth in demand for new homes and a number of major developments, with the railway having the potential to be part of the transport solution. It can connect four of the major centres in Cornwall – Falmouth, Truro, St Austell and Newquay, and provide access to sustainable transport.’ I always wonder what exactly they mean by "sustainable transport". Transport that can be recycled? Why does "sustainable" get conflated with "viable"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 There's an hourly bus service between Truro and Newquay. No one is going to get a train between those two places, however much improved the signalling is on the mainline. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Call me slow-witted, I've only just noticed the last paragraph. Quote The work will include design, survey and ground investigations, along with feasibility reports and cost estimates. Network Rail will appoint the subcontractors. It reminds me of all the fuss about the "re-opening" of a line just over the border into England. i.e. Bere Alston to Tavistock (and maybe Okehampton). Many £100,000's spent on "design, survey and ground investigations, along with feasibility reports and cost estimates", before they decided it was "sustainable transport", but not "viable transport". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 It would appear, given the mention of St Austell, that this could be the reconstruction of the Parkandillack single line. I think they'd need to reinstall a second platform in Newquay as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 30/10/2020 at 15:29, Fat Controller said: It would appear, given the mention of St Austell, that this could be the reconstruction of the Parkandillack single line. I think they'd need to reinstall a second platform in Newquay as well. Not in a million years, sorry, that one was kicked into touch when the A30 dualling took a northern route over Goss Moor and didn't require the railway formation after all. They'd be better off relaying it, though, if they want a 'viable' service between the two places. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 30/10/2020 at 14:07, KeithMacdonald said: It reminds me of all the fuss about the "re-opening" of a line just over the border into England. i.e. Bere Alston to Tavistock (and maybe Okehampton). Many £100,000's spent on "design, survey and ground investigations, along with feasibility reports and cost estimates", before they decided it was "sustainable transport", but not "viable transport". That project (the Bere Alston to Tavistock scheme) was effectively kicked into touch because of (a) Network Rail hiking up project management 'contingency' amounts, following getting their fingers seriously burned with the GWML electrification work and (b) the project becoming a Devon County Council transport project, approximately coinciding with the time that all the County officers with any serious knowledge of rail schemes left or retired. As such, Devon found (or find) themselves with a project that Network Rail has effectively made too expensive for them (although this all happened two or three years ago now). With all the government debt building up and a determination to press ahead with other projects like HS2 and rebuilding the Dawlish Sea Wall (both essential, in my view), I can't see there being any money for poor old Tavistock. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Hi, Wow, that was quick to get through to the public domain, I was appointed as the responsible signalling designer on the job only last week! On 30/10/2020 at 13:52, Joseph_Pestell said: I think that it would need additional signalling to be able to reduce headways/create more paths. It’s a bit more than additional signalling, there’s nothing between Burngullow and Newquay to start with! Simon 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, St. Simon said: Hi, Wow, that was quick to get through to the public domain, I was appointed as the responsible signalling designer on the job only last week! It’s a bit more than additional signalling, there’s nothing between Burngullow and Newquay to start with! Simon Not your fault but you take my comment a bit out of context. I was responding to another post where someone asked why they could not simply add more trains onto the timetable now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted November 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, St. Simon said: Hi, Wow, that was quick to get through to the public domain, I was appointed as the responsible signalling designer on the job only last week! It’s a bit more than additional signalling, there’s nothing between Burngullow and Newquay to start with! Simon Has the track between Burngullow and Parkandillack gone now then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Not your fault but you take my comment a bit out of context. I was responding to another post where someone asked why they could not simply add more trains onto the timetable now. Ah, I see now, sorry! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted November 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2020 9 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Has the track between Burngullow and Parkandillack gone now then? I believe the Treviscoe plant has been mothballed. Don't know about the railway but I can't see them ripping it just yet. Of course I could be talking rubbish! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co-tr-Paul Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Development funding approved today. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Co-tr-Paul said: Development funding approved today. For what project? Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, brianusa said: For what project? Brian Good question! Various secret ones? Or these, announced 25th Nov 2020, in the Policy paper, National Infrastructure Strategy? Quote The National Infrastructure Strategy sets out plans to transform UK infrastructure in order to level up the country, strengthen the Union and achieve net zero emissions by 2050. e.g. Quote “The government will also deliver on its manifesto commitment to spend £500 million to restore transport services previously lost in the Beeching cuts of the 1960s, including reopening the Ashington-Blyth line in Northumberland to passenger services, and restoring rail links to Okehampton in Devon.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co-tr-Paul Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Was referring to Newquay to Falmouth through services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted December 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2020 Hang on, isn't the quickest route Falmouth - Truro - Newquay the one via Chacewater? What's that? It's closed! Ah well, it must have slipped by me when I wasn't paying attention. I guess someone must have decided it wasn't needed any more . . . David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted June 22, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2022 This bonkers scheme has just had more money thrown at it: https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/20219652.funding-mid-cornwall-metro-falmouth-newquay/ As was commented further up the thread there is an hourly bus from Newquay to Truro which, I suspect, does not go via Par! Even as someone who would encourage the use of trains I find this project completely baffling. Now if they proposed reopening the Newquay and Chacewater . . . David 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted December 13, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2023 Yet another pie in the sky idea from a politician to go with the Metro plan (which does appear to have taken another step forward). https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-public-transport-call-extra-8970904?fbclid=IwAR3TKH5qFtCwmUNIXW7DG2tQPkfa1W_9H9rLp55D0O94JqQSwGGQcc_L0wI 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Kris said: Yet another pie in the sky idea from a politician to go with the Metro plan (which does appear to have taken another step forward). https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-public-transport-call-extra-8970904?fbclid=IwAR3TKH5qFtCwmUNIXW7DG2tQPkfa1W_9H9rLp55D0O94JqQSwGGQcc_L0wI That article says: Quote "There is a disused 'cattle dock' (which once served the livestock market) which could be re-purposed; it is close to the town centre and to Truro Bus Station, which provides services to the hospital, industrial estates and, of course, the town centre including Pydar Street." Astonishing. That cattle dock is only 500 yards from the main station. How much would a new station cost? When it would be so much simpler and far cheaper to just provide a shuttle bus from the main station to the city centre. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Main station on the left, cattle market with siding on the right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 11 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said: That article says: Astonishing. That cattle dock is only 500 yards from the main station. How much would a new station cost? When it would be so much simpler and far cheaper to just provide a shuttle bus from the main station to the city centre. Precisely. Such a daft idea simply reinforces my view that these days there's nothing common about sense. Reminds me that in early 1972 while I was waiting for my working life to start proper, I was temporarily employed on conducting a traffic census at the junction at the top end of Pydar Street, within sight of Truro Viaduct. As a result of this Pydar Street was 'pedestrianised' shortly after (except business access) and, unsurprisingly, remains so to this day. At that time there was a small and short-lived model shop at the bottom end of the street - within months the proprietor moved into a corner of an indoor market created when HTP Motors closed down (on the corner opposite the bus station) and later in 1972 I purchased a 15W Antex soldering iron from him for £3.25 which only failed last year!! Which has nothing to do with a Mid-Cornwall Metro......sorry!😬 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) On 22/06/2022 at 22:11, DavidLong said: This bonkers scheme has just had more money thrown at it: https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/20219652.funding-mid-cornwall-metro-falmouth-newquay/ I can spot at least three logical fallacies. 1) Quote “This new direct route will unlock faster, more direct routes for Newquay residents, along with the communities along the way, to get to not only Truro and Falmouth, but also the mainline and beyond Somehow assuming either that the only benefit that matters is to people who live in Newquay adn want to get to Truro and Falmouth. 2) Quote while also bringing more visitors and trade into Newquay’s businesses. Somehow ignoring how most visitors arrive in Cornwall (down the M5 and A30) 3) Quote “This project will allow people in Truro quicker access to the coasts of our beautiful Duchy by rail, and in particular a route for students in Falmouth and Penryn a direct line to Newquay and the many excellent leisure opportunities on the north coast. Quicker access (that is) for in-town people who only use public transport, with no mention of how others out-of-town people would access these "benefits" e.g. by first having to drive to a railway station, and then park somewhere (if they can, and at extra cost). There may be more fallacies I haven't spotted yet. Edited December 14, 2023 by KeithMacdonald Typo fixes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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