antony Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I've been working on this model of BCDR No. 6 off and on for a couple of years. It's an Alphagraphix model in 7mm for 32mm finescale track. I thought the boiler supplied was undersized - possibly the original one with the round top firebox, so I've made a new one - for better or for worse! Â Any thoughts on a suitable shade of green? I know No. 30 in the museum is too light; I've seen Fred Graham's models but only carry a memory in my head! Perhaps BR green with some black in it, or is there a model paint near enough? Any ideas gratefully received. Â Here are pics of her nearly ready to paint, assembled and ckd. Â 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Hi Tony, that looks the part, I am in awe of this type of model engineering!  As regards livery, on my 4mm BCDR models (see pic of my No 4 & 14, though like all such you need to see them in the flesh, so to speak!) I have used Precision Paints GNR dark green (tender lining. It's certainly a pretty dark green. I did try doing BNCR "invisible green"for No 62 by mixing black and brunswick green but on a small scale model i decided there wasn't the surface area to actually reproduce that colour as described in various books.  Look forward to seeing this someday!  Colm  Nos 4, 14, and 28 -the two front are in the GNR clour, 28 was done in the now discontinued Midland Kirtley green, which looks much the same in this light, but had a tinge of blue in it - it'll need to be mixed in future, I used it for most of my UTA models. It's slightly lighter with a bit of a blue tinge , i think, in "reality"!     No 4 on my previous layout, mostly natural light,  As also this pic of 62 from my previous layout.   4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Padre Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) Tony - here’s a Fred Graham loco, photographed by my brother in sunny Ulster this afternoon, and forwarded to me in rainy Buckinghamshire ! LSWR holly green may be an option ? Nice work on the kit - Alphagraphix are great little kits for the price and a good basis for ‘fettling’.   Edited October 23, 2020 by Irish Padre 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Hi Tony, regarding my earlier reply, I'd not taken into account that your model is the rebuilt No6 and received a brighter green according to des coakham and others. So perhaps southern malachite green or BR(SR) green might work? Colm    1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 21 hours ago, antony said: I've been working on this model of BCDR No. 6 off and on for a couple of years. It's an Alphagraphix model in 7mm for 32mm finescale track. I thought the boiler supplied was undersized - possibly the original one with the round top firebox, so I've made a new one - for better or for worse! Here are pics of her nearly ready to paint, assembled and ckd. Â Â Â Â Â Great to see it at this stage Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 Thanks for the comments. The problem with getting paint is the courier cost to NI. Phoenix Precision Paints charge nearly £10 for a measly little tin! I have some GWR green, so I'll perhaps I should try that with a little black. Who's to know? - And anyway after a day out from the works it would have been a different green!   1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achil Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 From my information, the dark shade shown by both Padre and Colm F above appears to be spot on. Â Yes, No. 30 in Cultra carries a shade they never had - it would be more at home on the Isle of Man Railway with that - along with the RPSI's "Harvey the Green Engine", which in real life had an even darker shade of green than the above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Paint colours for models, always a tricky one.  An early teenage memory I have is of Des Coakham (probably the best informed person on the BCDR telling me that he actually thought the BCDR engnes were black, but then realized they were revarnished from time to time and this darkened the colour. I also recall him saying that No30's colour was wrong.  Desmond's final and definitive book on the BCDR has this picture on the front.   Hmmm.  I wonder what Desmond thought of it? Even allowing for the fact that it's a painting,  has been photographed, scanned etc, it looks a pretty bright green on No 6. Rather similar to the paint on No 30 in the Transport museum. Now, I am pretty sure No 30 never carried that livery - but maybe someone had some of that bright green when she was being prepared for preservation......it's all such fun, and it keeps us engaged, anyway!  Colm     1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achil Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) Indeed - as Des said, so did Cyril Fry! Â His models of BCDR locos (which I may have posted at some stage) are - if anything - marginally darker again than Fred's model above. What is certain is that the green used was a very dark green - more so than GWR or BR or SR in England, so the idea of putting a little black in certainly seems about right for me. Â Malahide Museum is closed due to Covid right now but I may be able to get in at some stage just before Christmas - if I can (and I've still bits of work to do there), I'll take pics. Fry apparently got his paint from Queen's Quay. Â Comparing his models with the above, I'd say the green in the models is as close as one may be able to ascertain nowadays. Â And yes, just as GSR grey tended to darken very considerably in use, so did BCDR green. At one stage, to save money, when a BCDR loco was outshopped, they didn't paint it at all - just put a coat of dark varnish over whatever was already there. Â The maroon on the coaches in the painting is waaay too light as well. Edited October 29, 2020 by jhb171achil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 As far as I know, Des was happy enough with Eric's painting. Â Here's today's work - primed in grey, airbrushed using a tin of cellulose EP21 grey primer which I got from North Down Motor Factors. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Looking forward to seeing it in colour whatever shade of green you end up with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 A little further on - Green & Black (not chocolates!). I mixed about 10% black into GWR green - the boiler in the picture looks lighter than it is. Â 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 All four colours done, looking forward to seeing the 'Green' on the assembled locomotive Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 A bit of scenic work to take my mind off lining No. 6! Â 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 You're been distracted again..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achil Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 "Covid" Tunnel? Â :-) Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 Covid Tunnel - 2020 yards; perhaps I should have numbered it as 'No. 19' also! At the other end 206 will burst into the light in 2021 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Trying my hand at lining - and I'm not impressed! I've had Rotring pens lying in a drawer for years, so I thought it an opportunity to try them again. Perhaps if I took it off and tried again and again and again and... !! Â Â Â Â Â Â Ravelstone Central now has some more canopy, Evergreen strips mek'd to the glazing. The footbridge is a plastic laser cut kit from York Model Rail. Â Â Â 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I don’t know know what type of eyesight you have but I had to enlarge the photos of your lining to see any waver in the line.  Great result on the footbridge, I take it you had to adapt it to suit the station.  As for that canopy, no mean task.  And you finished of your post with a delightful snapshot of a passengers view of the station. More pictures please. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 More work on No. 6. The tender chassis, I've used Slater's plastic hornblocks, split axles and de-insulated the wheels so that no wipers are needed for pick-ups   On the loco I did the same for the leading wheels and used fine wire pick-ups on the drivers.   I tried lining the loco with the Rotring, but made an absolute mess of it! Plan 'B' (or maybe plan F or G --) was to draw the complete cabside and splasher in CAD, trying to match the loco green and drawing in the lining. I printed it onto white decal sheet and although the green isn't quite right, it will have to do! A bit of weathering will hide a lot. Kieran found a photo of the crest, again scanned into CAD software and scaled to size. (Several sizes, I chose the one I liked best).     Here's the (very nearly) finished engine. The edges of the decals can be seen if you look for them. So don't!!  And she's a nice runner. 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Great result Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Davey Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 My jaw has just hit the floor with a very loud 'thump'..... Â Any videos Tony? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Padre Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Delightful. How Mac Arnold and Des Coakham would have loved this. I think a video of the Golfers’ Express is called for ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 It's looking very well, Tony. Now, the 'Golfer's saloon' would be a great new challenge! Colm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 Thanks for the comments, guys. Golfer's saloon and some 6-wheelers would be nice, Colm. Here's video of her going off to collect some wagons. The decals show up differently in the video, not so obvious on the layout! Â Â 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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