RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2022 On 14/05/2022 at 09:36, alastairq said: But, as I intimated, few have even heard of the Traffic Commissioners, let alone understand the full breadth of their powers...with regards to those who earn a livelihood driving on the UK's roads. So I thought to educate myself. For instance: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/decision-for-aj-uk-ltd-ok1108877/decision-for-aj-uk-ltd-ok1108877 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: So I thought to educate myself. For instance: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/decision-for-aj-uk-ltd-ok1108877/decision-for-aj-uk-ltd-ok1108877 "You cannot learn honesty and integrity in a seminar." But where do you learn it these days? School? Church? At Your mother's knee? My legal practice years ago forced on me the reluctant conclusion that regulation in this country has taken the place of ethics in the commercial sphere. Presumably regulators would argue that increased regulation us in part a function of a lack of good standards resulting from ethical imperatives. No doubt true, but this has lead to a danger of regulation replacing ethics, so that Mr Busuness Man or Mr Financier or Mr Rentier can think to himself "well, if it's legal within the scope of the regulations, it must be acceptable", without passing his conduct through any moral filter. 3 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2022 Just now, Edwardian said: My legal practice years ago forced on me the reluctant conclusion that regulation in this country has taken the place of ethics in the commercial sphere. My experience as an employee led me to the conclusion that I would not wish to be in a managerial position as it was evident that the convention was that the people occupying such positions left their morality and sense of human decency outside the office door. 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 On 13/05/2022 at 17:35, alastairq said: An old style double deck bus [not a modern plastic-fantastic]...with close to 90 including standing passengers, ran to around 19 or 20 tonnes! London dockers weighed even more. Since an RT seems to only come in at a mere 7½ tons unladen, that would mean your average passenger weighed 21 stone, so I hate to think how much bigger a docker would be. Can't imagine getting 90 of those man-mountains onto a double-decker bus, especially up the stairs to the top deck! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysarefun Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) How cool is it being Ukranian right now, (apart from that Russian invasion, obviously)? First you win the Eurovision singing competition, then Bono drops by, now Jah Wobbles dubbed up your national anthem. Edited May 17, 2022 by monkeysarefun 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: My experience as an employee led me to the conclusion that I would not wish to be in a managerial position as it was evident that the convention was that the people occupying such positions left their morality and sense of human decency outside the office door. Very bleak and sadly often true. Time for some music. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Sorry - must have hit the button at the same time as monkeysarefun! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysarefun Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Johnson044 said: Sorry - must have hit the button at the same time as monkeysarefun! Is it Tuesday evening there too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Sadly not yet! But it's a sunny day and no-one's dropping bombs on me. Much to be thankful for! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, monkeysarefun said: How cool is it being Ukranian right now, (apart from that Russian invasion, obviously)? First you win the Eurovision singing competition, then Bono drops by, now Jah Wobbles dubbed up your national anthem. Cool, though, still prefer ..... And no one should mind losing to .... I rather like it. In one sense, we're all Ukrainians, in the sense that we all face a common existential threat. A limited sense, however, as the actual Ukrainians are the only ones fighting that Enemy. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Play Ja Ja Ding ! Play it! Now! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Ja Ja Ding !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 How curious! The third word from one of the songs in Eurovision, the story of Fire Saga is automatically censored- it's just the other noise that a bell makes. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 57 minutes ago, Nick Holliday said: Since an RT seems to only come in at a mere 7½ tons unladen There were other types and makes, I drove later, that weighed in, unladen at closer to the ten tonne mark.... Don;t forget the shopping bags...and the lunch boxes......they all add weight as well. Never recall seeing an underweight London docker.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Cool, though, still prefer ..... And no one should mind losing to .... I rather like it. In one sense, we're all Ukrainians, in the sense that we all face a common existential threat. A limited sense, however, as the actual Ukrainians are the only ones fighting that Enemy. The thing that never seems to be mentioned is that the Ukrainians have suffered terribly at Russian hands before. In the early 1930's Stalin sent in troops to take all the grain and other food they could, sealed the borders and left millions to starve to death. What they have been through before and what they are going through now is beyond the comprehension of most of us. We are so, so fortunate. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) So, Why isn't New Zealand in the Eurovision Song Contest? I feel we must be told! Edited May 18, 2022 by Edwardian 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Why is he holding Putin in front of him? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted May 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Edwardian said: My legal practice years ago forced on me the reluctant conclusion that regulation in this country has taken the place of ethics in the commercial sphere. Presumably regulators would argue that increased regulation us in part a function of a lack of good standards resulting from ethical imperatives. No doubt true, but this has lead to a danger of regulation replacing ethics, so that Mr Busuness Man or Mr Financier or Mr Rentier can think to himself "well, if it's legal within the scope of the regulations, it must be acceptable", without passing his conduct through any moral filter. Very true. Funnily enough, by one of those coincidences, this was highlighted this morning on Radio 4, in episode 2 of “Empire of Pain”. Legal counsel was described as essentially taking two forms in corporate America: those who say “This is what you must do, and this is what you are allowed to do. Anything else, you check with me.” And those who say, “Let me see what we can get away with - tell me what you want to do, and I will find loopholes.” The example of the latter was brilliantly demonstrated by the character of Tom Hagan in “The Godfather”. The other thing regulators like is being able to measure things, and then the measurements became the sole means of assessing compliance and performance. Witness school league tables, based on “results” but with no mention of values in the tables. 1 1 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysarefun Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 11 hours ago, Edwardian said: So, What isn't New Zealand in the Eurovision Song Contest? I feel we must be told! Yes, cos they have a band and everything! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted May 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2022 In the news ...... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welchester Posted May 19, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2022 39 minutes ago, Edwardian said: In the news ...... Yet his successor still makes him look like an intellectual titan. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 19, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, Edwardian said: In the news ...... Hardly news. I often catch myself calling our neighbour's cat, Ziggy, by the name of our other neighbour's late cat, Timmy. Both (have) purrfected the techniques of home invasion. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted May 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Welchester said: Yet his successor still makes him look like an intellectual titan. By which you mean GOP successor, of course. Yes, when I was young we used to laugh at Regan as a fool, then came George Dubya, and then .... 1 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: Hardly news. I often catch myself calling our neighbour's cat, Ziggy, by the name of our other neighbour's late cat, Timmy. Both (have) purrfected the techniques of home invasion. Indeed, home invasion being de rigueur, chez moi. I currently have 4 not-my-cats. I have become their daytime home. [nighttime, they go out doing cat-stuff, or go indoors to their 'mum'...next door!] Cats on the whole do like company...if not to con or cuddle up to [except when it's wet]....but just knowing one is 'around' a I mostly am....[not being able to afford the fuel to go out anywhere else] All have been named differently to the names imposed on them by the folk next door. Once through the front hedge, they become someone else! Hence, for example, the one I [we, for I must include my family, who visit to stop, several days a week]...call 'Felix' [no guesses for his colour scheme or personality]....? Felix, formerly known as Prince.....! Of the 4 disparate colours of mogg, Felix is the least likely to be found doing serious hunting....being somewhat of a 'butterfly''chaser....We all probably know someone in our lives, who spends time chasing butterflies, methinks? Felix is also an ardent chatterbox! He is happy when engaging in a conversation, with anyone who has the time to chat. [Before anyone thinks chatting to a cat to be strange, my next-door-but- one neighbour, also retired [plays with old motorbikes mostly]....is often to be heard having discussions with next-doors back-garden sheep....[a CAmeroon sheep] Worryingly for my other-side neighbours, their 4 year old has also been spotted chatting away with the opposite-side back-garden sheep as well. [Clar across my own back garden!] Nothing to do with the fact both their kids are homeschooled.....Mum being an ex-teacher who left the system by way of protest. ] They are [were?} all feral kittens taken in by the bunnyboiler next door.... from various places like Cats' Protection, etc All have been seen-to, jabbed and chipped. It is an arrangement I am happy with......since I get the [dubious?] pleasure of their company, yet she gets all the vets bills and 'presents'... 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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