Wilko1972 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Hi everyone, Just a simple question are the Bachmann Bulleid coaches accurate? They're on Ebay for around £20. Thanks for reading this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Bachmann's all new Bulleid coaches are not due out yet, so these will be Bachmann's first effort into the coach stock back in the early 1990s. The only thing that changed over the years was the replacement of plastic wheels with metal ones. They are ok even if lacking flush glazing and other issues. Obviously not up to modern standards but better than any of Hornby's 1980s and 1990s stuff (well, some of their former Dapol/Airfix gets close). £20 is not a bad price. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted August 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2020 I'd echo that. SE Finecast do flush glazing for these, which will improve them no end. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted August 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 31, 2020 See:- https://sremg.org.uk/model/bach-bull_01.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, JSpencer said: Bachmann's all new Bulleid coaches are not due out yet, so these will be Bachmann's first effort into the coach stock back in the early 1990s. The only thing that changed over the years was the replacement of plastic wheels with metal ones. They are ok even if lacking flush glazing and other issues. Obviously not up to modern standards but better than any of Hornby's 1980s and 1990s stuff (well, some of their former Dapol/Airfix gets close). £20 is not a bad price. That's because that's what they are. These were unreleased Airfix models. They were in the background in one of the Airfix catalogues. http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/CatTeasers.htm Acquired by Mainline, but Mainline also disappeared before they were finished. Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pteremy Posted August 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 31, 2020 Save up for the retooled versions, whenever they appear! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted August 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2020 The existing Bulleid coaches are "undernourished" in every dimension. I'm waiting for the new ones to appear, but they were announced a long, long time ago and I'm beginiing to fear that I may not live long enough! ;-) 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 9 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: That's because that's what they are. These were unreleased Airfix models. They were in the background in one of the Airfix catalogues. http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/CatTeasers.htm Acquired by Mainline, but Mainline also disappeared before they were finished. Jason Pedantic mode (On) :- The 1979 Airfix catalouge snippet shows a Bulleid CK with 10" deep window ventilators, whereas the Bachmann versions are based on the BR(S) built stock which had 15" deep sliding vents. Pedantic mode (Off). More here https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/16850-new-batch-of-bulleid-coaches/ All the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) According to Pat Hammond in Ramsay's British Model Trains catalogue Airfix produced some drawings and sample models (presumably made up from kits them available), while Palitoy had intended to release them in 1985 under the Mainline label. It took a further 8 years for them to appear as part of the Bachmann range, 3 years after the Bachmann Branch line range had started and before which Replica had released other models intended originally for Mainline. Does raise the question of how ready for manufacture they were in 1985 as it would seem they should have appeared earlier than their 1993 introduction. Edited September 1, 2020 by Butler Henderson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 The Airfix photo was a BSL kit. There was also a mock up of a Schools to go with them. Which I think was a Wills kit. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) Here is what could have been... It does refer to 2 of a minimum of 3 Bulleid coaches existing in drawings, which could suggest why there was a delay. http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/images/stories/Downloads/5yrplan1986.pdf wish lists existed in the 1980’s, but a few notes there.. the Dukedog was already drawn, and they cautioned demand of only 5000 units for a class 59. It does refer to 2 of a minimum of 3 Bulleid coaches existing in drawings. The approach to BR era EMUs seems to be consistent with Bachmanns approach... CEP, BIG, TC.., does that mean REP next ? Edited September 1, 2020 by adb968008 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted September 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2020 5 hours ago, adb968008 said: Here is what could have been... It does refer to 2 of a minimum of 3 Bulleid coaches existing in drawings, which could suggest why there was a delay. http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/images/stories/Downloads/5yrplan1986.pdf wish lists existed in the 1980’s, but a few notes there.. the Dukedog was already drawn, and they cautioned demand of only 5000 units for a class 59. It does refer to 2 of a minimum of 3 Bulleid coaches existing in drawings. The approach to BR era EMUs seems to be consistent with Bachmanns approach... CEP, BIG, TC.., does that mean REP next ? Thanks for sharing that fascinating document! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted September 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 1, 2020 38 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Thanks for sharing that fascinating document! Agreed, mind you they'd have needed a huge budget to develop that range over 5 years! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 They weren't that brilliant, with raised door outlines, heavy screw heads, rubber corridor connectors which all mine rotted away. Always looked a bit short in body depth to me. The Hornby version is far superior. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, bigherb said: They weren't that brilliant, with raised door outlines, heavy screw heads, rubber corridor connectors which all mine rotted away. Always looked a bit short in body depth to me. The Hornby version is far superior. Indeed though the Hornby version uses the Maunsell under frame. So not a pure Bulleid. That said, I would agree that a few of the Hornby versions would make a better stand in, in the long run until the all new Bachmann ones come out. You can run the all new Hornby with the eventual all new Bachmann without them looking out of place (if the colours match up of course). A rake could look odd if you were to mix old and new Bachmann Bulleids. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2020 54 minutes ago, JSpencer said: Indeed though the Hornby version uses the Maunsell under frame. So not a pure Bulleid. Just to be clear, that is prototypically correct, I think? Just before somebody misconstrues your statement. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, spamcan61 said: Just to be clear, that is prototypically correct, I think? Just before somebody misconstrues your statement. Gould describes the new underframes as 'similar' to those under Maunsell coaches, but as they were constructed in 1940, and then had to await peace before the bodies were built, they are not actually Maunsell underframes as such. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffBird Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Let's hope that Hornby produce some of theirs in crimson & cream in 2021 to fill in the early 1950's gap. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Gould describes the new underframes as 'similar' to those under Maunsell coaches, but as they were constructed in 1940, and then had to await peace before the bodies were built, they are not actually Maunsell underframes as such. Perhaps it would be better to say they used Maunsell designed underframes, and also basically Maunsell interior designs too, so at that time they were eveolutionary developments of Maunsell stock, with the new curved side profile and different window shapes being the most noticeable differences. After the multi-door Bulleids he started to get more adventurous with the designs, although even the later multi-door stock was built on longer underframes to set that standard for a long time to come. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, SRman said: Perhaps it would be better to say they used Maunsell designed underframes, and also basically Maunsell interior designs too, so at that time they were eveolutionary developments of Maunsell stock, with the new curved side profile and different window shapes being the most noticeable differences. After the multi-door Bulleids he started to get more adventurous with the designs, although even the later multi-door stock was built on longer underframes to set that standard for a long time to come. I have always believed that Bulleid's design had far more influence on the BR Mk1 than that of any other Big 4 carriage-builder. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 49 minutes ago, GeoffBird said: Let's hope that Hornby produce some of theirs in crimson & cream in 2021 to fill in the early 1950's gap. As long as Hornby remember to use their ' as built ' tooling. The coaches were still fairly new when they were painted blood and custard, so the patched and part re-panelled tooling is only applicable for post 1960(ish). I'm certainly up for a set in blood and custard. ( Hope they can improve the glazing ). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Oldddudders said: I have always believed that Bulleid's design had far more influence on the BR Mk1 than that of any other Big 4 carriage-builder. Definitely, apart from the layouts in the Brake coaches. The similarities of the FK, CK, SK and SO types were too close to be coincidence (using the post-1956 classifications). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Very debatable. I consider the BR Mark One to be more of a LMS design with slight improvements. Look at the Portholes. Apart from the gangways and toilet windows they are virtually a Mark One. The interior layout is pure LMS. https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/87789-Bachmann-lms-d2159-d2168-d2170-porthole-review/ Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 The Mk1 was an amalgamation of influences from several earlier designs though - to be honest - I've not identified anything definitely LNER ! ..... the length and continuously-curved bodyside were Bulleid's, the centre-trussed underframe and all steel construction stemmed from Stanier prototypes and the bogies were a variant on Swindon practice : interior layout ? - how many ways can you fit the required items into a 63' bodyshell ? - the available space determines the layout for most carriages though, of course, you may be able to size your brake compartment to suit a preferred layout. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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