meatloaf Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Ive picked up one of the new Bachmann egg vans today from my local shop. Not from rails but using the link to show the wagon https://railsofsheffield.com/products/35082/Bachmann-37-807-oo-gauge-lms-12-ton-planked-ventilated-van-express-dairy-company- Its got plastic wheels - is this a new thing for new Bachmann wagons or a one off? EDIT : they are metal after all Edited August 17, 2020 by AY Mod Title amended Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2020 I very much hope this is not a new thing for new Bachmann wagons; it would be a very retrograde step! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2020 Are you sure it was new ? (There are other versions out there, going back decades). 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIK Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Hi, I've had a good look at the photo on the Rails website and that one looks like it has metal wheels. Regards Nick 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2020 Are you sure it's not one of these? https://www.hattons.co.uk/527063/airfix_gmr_great_model_railways_54301airfix_po03_12t_planked_single_ventilated_van_english_eggs_pre_owned_like_new_imperfect_/stockdetail.aspx Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2020 Strange things happen... a new in box wagon I looked at a for sale at a local show a few years ago had Kadee couplers fitted in the NEM pockets.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) I think it may be based on the old GMR/Airfix model which would have had plastic wheels. Surprised that Bachmann haven't upgraded it with metal wheels. Here's mine in 1977. Edited August 15, 2020 by Alcanman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
napierlion Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Good morning, It looks more like chemically blackened metal to my eyes, just like Hornby have done in the past. All the best Charles 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 The photos of the same van on Cheltenham Model Centre (who have them in stock) and Hattons (who don't) definitely show bog standard Bachmann metal wheels. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Are you sure it's not one of these? That's a blast from the past. The comparatively accurate GMR body moulding as opposed to the vertically challenged version being pedalled by Bachmann. For a very reasonable £1.49 the more accurate body in "Any livery you like colour scheme" is still available from Dapol. https://www.hattons.co.uk/50888/dapol_b019_unpainted_wagon_body_lms_vb3_vent_van/stockdetail.aspx 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 If we are going to be strict it's the wrong van anyway.... https://hmrs.org.uk/photographs/10t-ventilated-vans-lms-506150-507987-vacbk-stl-ends-op-xwks-r3l-lettered-express-dairy-company-english-eggs-from-westmorland-farms.html Can't remember the Diagram but it's the type Ratio do. Now Parkside. It doesn't have the diagonal strapping. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 If you buy the PA16 underframe from Parkside, you get solebar/axleguards for the version built fitted, and the unfitted type (though you'll have to source the brake-shoe and pushrod assembly for the latter.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2020 Having had a quick look, it does look as though the model has metal wheels. The corrugated ends are different, vis-a- vis the Airfix & Bachmann versions. The Bachmann version has the later chalkboard attached/moulded, whilst the Airfix version does not. Despite being vacuum fitted , 'tis a pity that things like vacuum pipes are missing. Cheers, Ian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Alcanman said: I think it may be based on the old Palitoy Mainline model which would have had plastic wheels. Surprised that Bachmann haven't upgraded it with metal wheels. Here's mine in 1977. Thats the Airfix tooling which Palitoy owned in the early 1980s before it passed to Dapol. The van in question being Airfix 54301. Palitoy only used the tooling for LMS and BR liveries. It was one of the toolings Dapol neither had a copy made of nor sold to Hornby, so the current Dapol bodies are being made from 1978 toolings. The Bachmann model is an improved body dating from 1992 as a tweak or retool of a 1975 Kadee tooling originally used for Mainline; albeit sat on a 2001 chassis. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: Thats the Airfix tooling which Palitoy owned in the early 1980s before it passed to Dapol. The van in question being Airfix 54301. Palitoy only used the tooling for LMS and BR liveries. It was one of the toolings Dapol neither had a copy made of nor sold to Hornby, so the current Dapol bodies are being made from 1978 toolings. The Bachmann model is an improved body dating from 1992 as a tweak or retool of a 1975 Kadee tooling originally used for Mainline; albeit sat on a 2001 chassis. The giveaway is that the original Mainline tooling had working sliding doors, complete with suitably out-of-scale runners - it also appeared in an "Allsopp's Lager Beer" PO livery, which was genuine, just (as ever!) not on an LMS sliding-door van... Edited August 15, 2020 by Invicta spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, Invicta said: The giveaway is that the original Mainline tooling had working sliding doors, complete with suitably out-of-scale runners Yes, I realised the wagon in my photo was the GMR/Airfix model. The wagon in the goods shed is the Mainline one with the out of scale runners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Fat Controller said: If you buy the PA16 underframe from Parkside, you get solebar/axleguards for the version built fitted, and the unfitted type (though you'll have to source the brake-shoe and pushrod assembly for the latter.) The Red Panda LMS fitted underframe is a better match and includes the correct short brake levers and clasp brakes. As supplied the model has a recent Bachmann underframe representing an unfited van later converted to 4-shoe vacuum brakes. The original Airfix model ran on a BR type fitted underframe as on this example which is slightly different from the LMS design. Edited August 15, 2020 by Flying Pig Talking cobblers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Red Panda did an LMS underframe ? I'm only aware of the BR clasp brake one from them. The Morton chassis on the current Bachmann van is very nice, shame about the body. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2020 Have we established if the wheels are actually the ones fitted by Bachmann? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: That's a blast from the past. The comparatively accurate GMR body moulding as opposed to the vertically challenged version being pedalled by Bachmann. For a very reasonable £1.49 the more accurate body in "Any livery you like colour scheme" is still available from Dapol. https://www.hattons.co.uk/50888/dapol_b019_unpainted_wagon_body_lms_vb3_vent_van/stockdetail.aspx I seem to recall that the body is only good for depicting some of the 2050 or so BR Diagram 1/204 Vans built at Wolverton (B751300 - 752349 and B753430 - 754429). The body side stanchions are an inverted "U" shape which I think was only found on the above vehicles - LMS D2108 vans also featured this but unfortunately were constructed from plywood rather than planking. Some 1/204s were produced with three part corrugated ends instead of the two part version featured on the Dapol body, hence why it is only suitable for some of the fleet. 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatloaf Posted August 15, 2020 Author Share Posted August 15, 2020 Ive rechecked and they do seem to be metal, sorry for any confusion 1 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wheatley said: Red Panda did an LMS underframe ? I'm only aware of the BR clasp brake one from them. The Morton chassis on the current Bachmann van is very nice, shame about the body. Apologies - I was convinced they did but it seems that I was thinking of Parkside PA16 referred to by @Fat Controller and misread his comment about unfitted brakes. Edited August 15, 2020 by Flying Pig 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, meatloaf said: Ive rechecked and they do seem to be metal, sorry for any confusion Phew! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Are you sure it's not one of these? https://www.hattons.co.uk/527063/airfix_gmr_great_model_railways_54301airfix_po03_12t_planked_single_ventilated_van_english_eggs_pre_owned_like_new_imperfect_/stockdetail.aspx Mike. Don't think it's this; the Airfix has brake blocks not in line with the wheels, as in this picture. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Flying Pig said: Apologies - I was convinced they did but it seems that I was thinking of Parkside PA16 referred to by @Fat Controller and misread his comment about unfitted brakes. That's a shame, I thought I'd missed a new source of chassis for kitbashing ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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