Mike Harvey Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) The Class 17s are due for imminent delivery, and the Mermaids are in production now for late autumn/early winter delivery. Coming to a Bachmann retailer online or near you soon. The models are based on ones where development was initiated by DJModels Ltd. which ceased trading in 2019. Some technical changes have been made by the factory supplying through the EFE Rail distribution network. E84501 N Class 17 D8585 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) 119.95 E84502 N Class 17 D8594 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) 119.95 E84503 N Class 17 D8560 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) 119.95 E84504 N Class 17 8601 BR Green (Full Yellow Ends) 119.95 E84505 N Class 17 8512 BR Blue 119.95 E84506 N Class 17 D8523 BR Blue 119.95 E84507 N Class 17 Ribble Cement White & Green 119.95 E84508 N Class 17 D8511 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) [Weathered] 129.95 E84509 N Class 17 D8600 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) [Weathered] 129.95 E84510 N Class 17 D8606 BR Blue [Weathered] 129.95 E84511 N Class 17 D8507 BR Blue [Weathered] 129.95 E87512 N 14T ‘Mermaid’ Side Tipping Ballast Wagon BR Departmental Black 33.95 E87513 N 14T ‘Mermaid’ Side Tipping Ballast Wagon BR Departmental Olive Green 33.95 E87514 N 14T ‘Mermaid’ Side Tipping Ballast Wagon BR Engineers Grey & Yellow 33.95 E87515 N 14T ‘Mermaid’ Side Tipping Ballast Wagon BR Departmental Gulf Red 33.95 There is a launch video for the EFE Rail brand and range in the Bachmann Youtube library. Edited August 7, 2020 by Mike Harvey 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 Thanks for the separate thread, Mike. Excellent news with regards the Class 17. I'm not so excited about the mermaids as I got a handful of the black ones when they came out. They are nicely detailed, but there is a height mismatch somewhere, as the buffers sit quite a bit higher than similar stock. That said I have them and I run them and they're fine. They look good. Good to see the toolings being put to use. Best Scott. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) I seem to recall that in the DJM days the DCC interface for the Clayton was going to be in the fuel tank. Might be a challenge for sound, though that could go in the engineers service van trying to figure out why the Class 17 has failed again. Edited August 7, 2020 by Mike Harvey 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 The answer to the original Mermaid height is to run them as a trainload with Lima Class 31. Everything should match nicely. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2020 The Lima Deltic might be even better! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 I have considered taking a razor saw to to the join between the bottom of the hopper and the tipping rails. But hesitated when considering i'd not be able to get a replacement if it all went wrong... Might be worth an experiment now... Best Scott. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, scottystitch said: I have considered taking a razor saw to to the join between the bottom of the hopper and the tipping rails. But hesitated when considering i'd not be able to get a replacement if it all went wrong... Might be worth an experiment now... Best Scott. I think @sithlord75 has done something similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) For comparison, this is the original DJM Clayton livery proposals. It's a shame the dummies were dropped, but I understand why and it's not even a small gripe. It's actually not a gripe eitherm just a musing, if you will...: If nothing else, it shows how keen the pricing is after all these years, and the manufacturer, Kernow, and EFE/Bachman should be commened in that regard. Best Scott. Edited August 7, 2020 by scottystitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 It is ironic that today’s price after typical discount from RRP Is lower that DJM’s prices. If DJM had given priority to the Class 17 and missed out on the side alleys to the Class 92 and APT-P things might have turned out differently. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) Agreed, but I wasn't sure if the EFE stuff will be subject to the same discount regime as mainstream Bachman/Farish. Certainly, the pre-order price is as advertised by EFE... Best Scott. Edited August 7, 2020 by scottystitch Correcting my incorrect assertion - see below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) I am not going to preorder a 17 just yet. I want to see the weathered blue ones in the flesh as I have not been overly fond of factory weathering in the past but the photos do look promising so worth at least a look I think. Edited August 7, 2020 by John M Upton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike Harvey said: I seem to recall that in the DJM days the DCC interface for the Clayton was going to be in the fuel tank. Might be a challenge for sound, though that could go in the engineers service van trying to figure out why the Class 17 has failed again. Not many functions required either: F1 - swearing Fife fitter F2 - swearing Gorbals fitter F3 - swearing Geordie fitter 1 1 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, 'CHARD said: Not many functions required either: F1 - swearing Fife fitter F2 - swearing Gorbals fitter F3 - swearing Geordie fitter Don't forget F4 - the spark and gentle whump of the gas axe being lit. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithlord75 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Mike Harvey said: I think @sithlord75 has done something similar. Yes - not for the faint hearted. However I didn't go too gung ho as I found most of the problem is actually in the w irons - they seen to be too long/big. Trying to fix this is a drama and a half. I settled for removing the buffers and putting them back slightly lower. They still are a bit high, but they don't stand out in the train. Helps that all my Engineer's stock is black! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, scottystitch said: Agreed, but I wasn't sure if the EFE stuff will be subject to the same discount regime as mainstream Bachman/Farish. Certainly, the pre-order price is as advertised by EFE... Best Scott. The normal disounts seem to apply such as here at rails, so they seem excellent value https://railsofsheffield.com/products/40910/efe-rail-e84505-n-gauge-class-17-8512-br-blue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 Oh, I do beg your pardon. You're obviously correct and I'm not sure why I thought otherwise, having ordered some. As you were... Best Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 If they are in the country, then presumably they have been sample-tested and warehoused somewhere? Is the next step distribution to the retailers? I have tried to find the answer on the main EFE thread but there is such a lot to scroll through it is entirely possible I have missed something. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Kernow have confirmed today that the Class 17s are in the UK, and they expect theirs in store within 14 days. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JR_P Posted August 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2020 What are people’s thoughts about the Class 17 - as I recall, those more knowledgeable than I had highlighted several flaws with the DJM 17.... I’m curious to know if this EFE / KMRC version is an improved version of the DJM one.... or did they just produce it ‘as was’....? Far too old for my modelling era, but I could be tempted with the Ribble Cement version to shunt around my Castle Cement PCAs (even though that may never have been the case; the internet certainly suggests not!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, JR_P said: What are people’s thoughts about the Class 17 - as I recall, those more knowledgeable than I had highlighted several flaws with the DJM 17.... I’m curious to know if this EFE / KMRC version is an improved version of the DJM one.... or did they just produce it ‘as was’....? Far too old for my modelling era, but I could be tempted with the Ribble Cement version to shunt around my Castle Cement PCAs (even though that may never have been the case; the internet certainly suggests not!). It now has a Next 18 socket so the electrics have been overhauled and over on the N Gauge forum Ben A was saying the old model wasn't bad so this should be a fine model. I believe I shall be ordering one 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 On 07/08/2020 at 12:22, Mike Harvey said: It is ironic that today’s price after typical discount from RRP Is lower that DJM’s prices. If DJM had given priority to the Class 17 and missed out on the side alleys to the Class 92 and APT-P things might have turned out differently. Nice idea but I'm not confident. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusDe Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I'm surprised how little excitement the Clayton announcement has generated! (Or maybe that's just me, lol!) Given their apparently imminent arrival, my finger has been twitching over the add to basket button on several mail order sites on a daily basis, but my reticence is only due to the lack of DCC fitted options, and the box shifters I've looked at don't have a DCC fitting option on their menus as they appear to do on already released models. (or is that just me again?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted August 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2020 There is plenty excitement over on the N Gauge Forum regarding the Claytons. As a general rule, I’m not sure there is often much excitement on RMWeb for N Gauge items - that is a personal observation not a criticism and exceptions do exist! Best Scott. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, AngusDe said: I'm surprised how little excitement the Clayton announcement has generated! (Or maybe that's just me, lol!) Given their apparently imminent arrival, my finger has been twitching over the add to basket button on several mail order sites on a daily basis, but my reticence is only due to the lack of DCC fitted options, and the box shifters I've looked at don't have a DCC fitting option on their menus as they appear to do on already released models. (or is that just me again?) But for the Clayton from all accounts you just need to pop off the fuel tank, unclip the Next 18 blanking plug and replace it with a Next 18 decoder which just clicks into place - the work of a few minutes. Regards Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusDe Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Roy L S said: But for the Clayton from all accounts you just need to pop off the fuel tank, unclip the Next 18 blanking plug and replace it with a Next 18 decoder which just clicks into place - the work of a few minutes. Regards Roy You're talking to a guy who, to date, has been unable to remove a Dapol 26 body that supposedly just slides off, lol! Angus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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