westernviscount Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Hi folks, Could someone help me out with some info about the inside of a BR MK1 BG? I hope to model one with its doors open being loaded/unloaded. I hope to have pictures or a description of the floor. I imagine it to be distressed plywood or lino? Also, any pics or info about loads would be great. Would BRUTE trolleys be wheeled on and off? Many thanks in advance. Here's progress so far... Cheers for now, Dave 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Great project, I think that BRUTEs were too big to fit in a BG. Mail and parcels were loose loaded, in later life when roller shutter doors were fitted the York trolleys were used and wheeled on/off via ramps. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Floor is painted concrete. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2020 BRUTEs were designed to fit through standard size double doors on railway vehicles, and most certainly could and did fit in BGs, loaded and unloaded by the folding aluminium ramps kept at the stations. Modelling the floor a dark grey and distressing it will give you the effect you want. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Thanks @37114 really enjoying thos project. Cheers @45125. What is your source for this? Seems like an odd material for a coach floor?? Thanks @The Johnster. I was thinking of doing a layer of wood as per the martyn welch approach then a layer of grey and scratch this away. Wood the floor be wood panels or lino? Thanks again chaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2020 11 hours ago, 45125 said: Floor is painted concrete. Agree, I remember them well. Though I think some may have had wooden flooring at least partially. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldhawk Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 37 minutes ago, rodent279 said: Agree, I remember them well. Though I think some may have had wooden flooring at least partially. From memory it certainly looks like concrete or some sort of composite material. The wooden flooring is found around the door openings and forms the floor edge that can be seen when the doors are open. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2020 9 hours ago, The Johnster said: BRUTEs were designed to fit through standard size double doors on railway vehicles, and most certainly could and did fit in BGs, loaded and unloaded by the folding aluminium ramps kept at the stations. Modelling the floor a dark grey and distressing it will give you the effect you want. And having the odd broken footboard to reproduce of the damage done when a heavily loaded BRUTE was pushed out onto a station platform without using a bridging board 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Goldhawk said: From memory it certainly looks like concrete or some sort of composite material. The wooden flooring is found around the door openings and forms the floor edge that can be seen when the doors are open. Yes, that's what I was thinking of. Didn't guards compartments have wooden floors as well? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SM42 Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) If you have access top a copy of the book Mk 1 Coaching Stock of British Railways (Parkin) there are some interior shots on page 30 (BG) and 31 (BSK) Andy PM sent Edited May 16, 2020 by SM42 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Well chaps this is why i asked the question here!!! Bags of knowledge. I would never thave thought the floors were concrete @45125 but it seems there is a consensus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SM42 Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2020 The Parkin book indicates the floors were corrugated steel with 2" layer of bitumen, rather than concrete, but visually little difference. Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Thanks Andy. I replied to your PM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2020 Quote from the Parkin book: "Luggage compartments had their floors made of corrugated steel sheet covered with a 2in layer of bitumen. The doorways had renewable hardwood insets to take the brunt of loading damage" David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2020 3 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: And having the odd broken footboard to reproduce of the damage done when a heavily loaded BRUTE was pushed out onto a station platform without using a bridging board And some bloodstaining on the platform where it's taken someone's toes off; steel toecaps were absolutely essential for platform work. 3 hours ago, rodent279 said: Didn't guards compartments have wooden floors as well? Yes, IIRC, and I should; I've ridden in enough of them! This is in and of itself no guarantee that I am right, though; it's a long time ago... The guard's doors could be opened from the inside, but the loading doors couldn't. Again, IIRC with the proviso, the inner guards compartment door was a slider, as were the security cage doors in vehicles where they were provided. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 3 hours ago, westernviscount said: Well chaps this is why i asked the question here!!! Bags of knowledge. I would never thave thought the floors were concrete @45125 but it seems there is a consensus. Concrete has a long history of use in rolling stock. At least some Great Central fish vans had concrete floors, presumably to facilitate washing out. I imagine that other companies did the same for the same reason. In White's The American Railroad Passenger Car there's a photo of men laying a concrete floor in what's clearly, from the number and position of the windows, a passenger coach early in the twentieth century. It looks very much like men laying a driveway, with planks propped up above the work and a couple of men advancing along them with a wooden beam to level-off the surface. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Yes @Jim Martin, i have never even considered it!! This is why i love this hobby. Through attempting to portray something in model form you end up learning something you might never have considered. Many thanks Jim, i shall be googling railway and railroad concrete floors for a while still!! As @SM42 and @Kylestrome point out, the BG floor was bitumen. Now on to try and represent it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) I have avoided the floor today but feel better armed to tackle this area. Thank you to all!! Here are some snaps of progress so far. Still unfinished of course!! Cheers for now. Dave Edited May 16, 2020 by westernviscount Typos 9 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, westernviscount said: I have avoided the floor today but feel better armed to tackle this area. Thank you to all!! Here are some snaps of progress so far. Still unfinished of course!! Cheers for now. Dave Nice. Where did you get the BRUTE trolleys from? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Oh now you are asking @rodent279. Wasn't sure but i believe they are these https://tencommandmentsmodels.co.uk/product/brut-trollies-x-3-brass-kit. I think they are a really nice kit and look the part. I took a picture of the underneath in case anyone knows any better but pretty sure they are ten commandments. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) I will check later but I have a few spare still on the etch in their original packet. They are up for grabs as I am moving up to 7mm. Edited May 16, 2020 by 37114 Typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted May 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, 37114 said: I will check later but I have a few spare still on the etch in their original packet. They are up for grabs as I am moving up to 7mm. Interested, if you do have some spare! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
73c Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 The 2 LNER TPO vehicles at the GCR, POT (1931) and POS (1937) both have concrete floors and a nice 3-4' wide strip of coconut matting down the middle to try and keep the guys feet warm. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Don't forget to remove the external steps (bar the bottom one) on the coach ends! They were removed due to OHLE to prevent fatalities. It's one of the faffs in adapting maroon Bachmann MK1's if you want to model late 60's with flashes. Hey ho! Great work though! Regards Guy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, balders said: Don't forget to remove the external steps (bar the bottom one) on the coach ends! They were removed due to OHLE to prevent fatalities. It's one of the faffs in adapting maroon Bachmann MK1's if you want to model late 60's with flashes. Hey ho! Great work though! Regards Guy That's an annoyingly accurate observation there Guy :-) My instinct is to set about them immediately with the chisel knife but a reflective ale is always in order before flying at these things. Good call though Guy and thank you. This is why we share here...its not all about transmitting, we need to receive also. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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