RMweb Gold brumtb Posted April 16 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16 Thanks @CKPR and @MrWolf, very tempting, a whole new area to explore especially as I'm discovering family connections. A bit off piste, but I'd quite like to know how Carlisle's Brunton Park got it's name as that's my surname. Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 9 hours ago, brumtb said: A bit off piste, but I'd quite like to know how Carlisle's Brunton Park got it's name as that's my surname. Tony Looks like it is a Scottish Borders and Northumberland placename meaning a farmstead or enclosure by a stream (the maiden name of my friends, who is Welsh on her dad's side, was Bunton, which is probably the same derivation ?) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted April 17 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17 13 hours ago, CKPR said: Looks like it is a Scottish Borders and Northumberland placename meaning a farmstead or enclosure by a stream (the maiden name of my friends, who is Welsh on her dad's side, was Bunton, which is probably the same derivation ?) Thanks, yes there are many Bruntons in the scottish border country and I visited a small hamlet called Brunton in Northumberland last autumn. It doesn't seem quite so common in Cumbria though although my great grandfather lived in Carlisle and died there in 1898. Its all fascinating. Tony 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted April 26 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26 Two excellent new books just arrived. Full of information, drawings and photos, lots to get stuck into! Tony 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted April 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26 17 minutes ago, brumtb said: Two excellent new books just arrived. Full of information, drawings and photos, lots to get stuck into! Tony Tony, Very interesting. Ooh, I feel a pull. 'Must not get into 40ft vans, I must not get ...........' I am still very slowly finishing off my siphons and will post when I have advanced a bit. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted April 26 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26 2 minutes ago, ChrisN said: Tony, Very interesting. Ooh, I feel a pull. 'Must not get into 40ft vans, I must not get ...........' I am still very slowly finishing off my siphons and will post when I have advanced a bit. Be strong Chris! I just can't resist the 40' vans, or the early siphons for that matter! Tony 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted April 26 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26 (edited) 44 minutes ago, brumtb said: Be strong Chris! I just can't resist the 40' vans, or the early siphons for that matter! Tony Tony, The siphon kits I had, I think are quite good, although as with all things there could be improvements. The link is on my thread or if you like I could post it here. (Usual disclaimers.) Edited April 26 by ChrisN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 17 hours ago, brumtb said: Be strong Chris! I just can't resist the 40' vans, or the early siphons for that matter! Tony I wish someone had told me that four years ago. I have too many* of both... *Although they're like panniers, N=X+1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted April 27 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27 21 hours ago, ChrisN said: Tony, The siphon kits I had, I think are quite good, although as with all things there could be improvements. The link is on my thread or if you like I could post it here. (Usual disclaimers.) Thanks Chris, I've been following your thread avidly and it's always interesting to go back to so I'll reread your siphon experiences. Siphons from my archives: Tony 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted April 29 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29 (edited) The 10:02am that left Paddington on 21st March 1895 had three vans, one six wheeler bound for Wolverhampton, and two eight wheelers, probably 40 footers, for Birkenhead, topping and tailing the northern part of the train. This is the train that sends the through coach to Traeth Mawr, so I have a particular interest in it. I also have a number of diagrams of the vans. The only thing stopping me from making a cutting file for my Silhouette of them are the six wheel replacements for the Tri-composite. I must make windows, I must make windows, I must make windows, (or finish the siphons). Edited June 9 by ChrisN 3 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Tony, Just discovered your delightful thread and I'm looking forward to the next update. Regards, Duncan 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted April 30 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30 19 hours ago, drduncan said: Tony, Just discovered your delightful thread and I'm looking forward to the next update. Regards, Duncan Thank you, Duncan, you are very welcome. Tony 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted May 24 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24 Just returned from riding trains and boats in Italy and Switzerland. The Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn. Gornergrat Bahn, Zermatt to the Matterhorn. Gornergrat summit station 10,132 feet, quite a climb! A great experience but must get back to modelling and deciding which Dapol 517 to go for! Tony 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted June 7 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7 At last, I’m able to unpack some of my latest acquisitions, starting with The EFE GWR Bloater. I wanted an as built S8 Bloater for the post WW1 pre grouping period, so I ordered model number E87057. I’m quite impressed really, it has the underframe gas tank, two gas lamp covers on the roof and no shell ventilators (which weren’t fitted until 1924). The buffers, whilst not correct, aren’t the self-contained ones fitted to later diagrams, suggesting Bachmann have tried to produce an as built S8. It is numbered 2168 which was one of the first batch of Lot 1258 and was built in October 1916. However, it has three small rain strips one over each door when photos of as built S8s, such as 2145 on page 347 of the Atkins, Beard and Tourret wagons book show a single long rain strip over all three doors. S8s of Lot 1258 were fitted with sprung rod buffers, rather than the self-contained buffers fitted to later Lots. As mentioned above the buffers on this model are slimmer than the self-contained ones but have ribbed housings which are not correct for the S8s. Lanarkshire Models B021 buffers look to be suitable although I also have some MJT GWR fitted wagon buffers which may be better. Finally, no attempt has been made to portray the feed pipes to the gas lamps. Few photos show the roof detail of the Bloaters, the best I have found is of S9 number 2603 on page 291 of GWRJ number 7. @gwrrob's roof template will also be very helpful, thanks. So, not a lot of work (unless I've missed something!) but hopefully it will then be more personal to me than just putting it on the layout straight out of the box. I’ll post pictures of the outcome in due course. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted June 16 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16 The LNWR line which runs along the rear of the layout features an exchange loop with the GWR at Deritend. I’d been thinking about signalling the loop and concluded that in that case an LNWR signal box would be required. But where? There is very little room as the tracks run close to the retaining wall forming the backdrop to the layout. Searching for ideas online I came across the LNWR box at Liverpool’s Park Lane Goods Station on Liverpool's Historic Rail Tunnels - Liverpool - LocalWiki I then came across an article in the January 2023 BRM on improving the old Hornby Railroad signal box. This seemed to be a relatively easy way to achieve the cutdown box I needed to represent a box recessed into a retaining wall. This is the outcome: The signal box largely followed the suggestions in the BRM article, enlarging the window apertures and installing new windows from Scale Model Scenery. There is a fully fitted interior, hardly visible but I know it’s there! I felt the building containing the signal box had to belong to the LNWR so the signs proclaim it to be their district goods office. The bespoke signs were produced for me by john at jwlikestrains | eBay Stores and the building is a scratch built low relief façade. Tony 13 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 This is excellent and it really evokes the highly atmospheric models made by the Rev. Edward Beale in the 1940s & 1950s. 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jol Wilkinson Posted June 16 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16 38 minutes ago, CKPR said: This is excellent and it really evokes the highly atmospheric models made by the Rev. Edward Beale in the 1940s & 1950s. Sadly the cabin windows fail to create the impression of a LNWR signal box, as shown in the picture of the Liverpool box. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted June 17 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17 11 hours ago, CKPR said: This is excellent and it really evokes the highly atmospheric models made by the Rev. Edward Beale in the 1940s & 1950s. Thank you, a compliment indeed, that's the era I grew up in and I guess that influence is still ingrained. Tony 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted June 17 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17 11 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said: Sadly the cabin windows fail to create the impression of a LNWR signal box, as shown in the picture of the Liverpool box. Yes, I see what you mean, now! Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18 Did not Protoype do a LNWR signal box? Or in brass from Langley? Or, something like these rather nice laser-cut ones? Type 5 size D Type 5 size D tall Type 5 size F tall 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 18 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18 Not withstanding the fine examples mentioned above the Metcalfe signal box is worth a mention - 'inspired by' perhaps: [Embedded link to Metcalfe Models website.] I built the Prototype kit over four decades ago: Please excuse the V# of similar vintage. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted June 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18 6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Not withstanding the fine examples mentioned above the Metcalfe signal box is worth a mention - 'inspired by' perhaps: [Embedded link to Metcalfe Models website.] I built the Prototype kit over four decades ago: Please excuse the V# of similar vintage. Well, I vastly prefer the Prototype kit of the two, and your example shows what could results might be obtained from them by the skillful modeller! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted June 18 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18 Thanks @Edwardian and @Compound2632, food for thought. I'm not sure what to do yet. I could do with a quick fix as everything seems to take so long these days. Tony 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jol Wilkinson Posted June 19 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19 Getting a quick fix may not be easy if you want a recognisable LNWR signal box. The Prototype version is no longer produced AFAIK and I haven't seen one come up on eBay for years. Bachmann dis a cast resin one that was partway between a Type 4 and a Type 5, but again no longer available. All the rest are from etched (London Road Model, Churchward and Langley) or laser cut kits. The Metcalf one is probably the best bet if you could do new windows with correct pane dividers from thin plastic strip on clear sheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold brumtb Posted June 19 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19 Thank you, as you originally pointed out it does seem to be the windows that are the defining feature. I was hoping something suitable might already be produced but a search online hasn't come up with anything that I can see. So your suggestion for making my own windows seems to be the way to go. Would you say that the photo on page 19 of the HMRS LNWR Liveries shows the typical window configuration? If not can you suggest a more typical prototype illustration. Many thanks Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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