RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 (Link inserted - image appeared) So what's the second vehicle in the train? Something to do with catering? (Two water tanks towards the vehicle centre). Are those mesh guards over the windows towards the outer ends? I can't place this one at all. There are some other oddities further back in the train, but they are somewhat indistinct. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 hours ago, cctransuk said: (Link inserted - image appeared) So what's the second vehicle in the train? Something to do with catering? (Two water tanks towards the vehicle centre). Are those mesh guards over the windows towards the outer ends? I can't place this one at all. There are some other oddities further back in the train, but they are somewhat indistinct. John Isherwood. Headcodes indicates class C (Parcels/fully fitted). Perhaps the coach is a TPO? Might explain the grilles? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 the coach is a inspection saloon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 14, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, mozzer models said: the coach is a inspection saloon Makes sense - anyone hazard a guess as to origin? (My guess would be ex-LMS or BR(LMR)). Regards, john Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 John, post this on a Nod to Brent; they have a load of background knowledge and also posters that have massive libraries of info on GWR/WR stuff. Looks a bit GWR to me but what do I know? ATB Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 On second thoughts, maybe it some sort of train including 'secure' items, thus the several vehicles that look like 'Bullion' carriers and the reason for grilles on that mystery coach? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 The bottom "cut outs" are intriguing. Looks like at some point it's been articulated. Kitchen Car from a Dining set? Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) Is it perhaps a 12 wheeler ? Ex-LMS Kitchen car ? Not TPO,I think.Freshly painted in crimson & cream.,it would appear. The appearance of LMS/LMR vehicles on WR trains at this time was not unusual,particularly Stanier stock.But this might be a Fowler varietal.A wild guess here....is this vehicle in transit for inclusion in some kind of special train formation? It’s “Fairey Battle “ with tall chimney which dates it late 40’s/ early50’s. I think at the time she was a Canton engine..86C.Saw her more times than I’ve had hot dinners in her prime.Later a Landore favourite...87E...with shed foreman White of silvered buffer fame. Intriguing. Edited March 14, 2020 by Ian Hargrave Additional text 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 The photo describes the engine as Chepstow Castle, near Exminster, and the date the 28th. July 1955. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 Is it this? http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=135 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, 31A said: Is it this? http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=135 That looks to have been a brake originally. The vehicle in the photo seems to have passenger accommodation at each end and a kitchen (?) midships. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I'm wondering whether it might be something by Thompson as it's roof profile matches that of the Gresley van behind it. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2020 It would probably help us if we know what the train was. I think that at this date there would still have been specials for theatre and circus tours. I have commented on the Brent thread that it has a bit of an LNW look to me. And also that it is a rather wide coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Yes, my instant reaction was 'catering vehicle', possibly re-purposed. I thought possibly one of those GWR cross-country restaurant cars with seating either end, but i think they had 2 seating bays, kitchen, 3 seating bays, so maybe not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 It's a diagram D2195 cafeteria, converted from ex LMS convertible sleeper (ex ambulance train), all were initially allocated to the western region. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 This sounds like the most likely answer. The bogies are certainly LMS and the lack of folding steps precludes it's being an inspection saloon. Blowing up the photo shows the loco to be 4077 Chepstow Castle as Prometheus says, and Exminster and Prometheus' date make sense as this loco was allox Laira at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 The knowledge on here never fails to amaze me! Tony 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 17 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: On second thoughts, maybe it some sort of train including 'secure' items, thus the several vehicles that look like 'Bullion' carriers and the reason for grilles on that mystery coach? Phil Definitely no bullion vans in that train - the GWR bullion vans were very distinctive low roofed vehicles. But they were sometimes moved empty in non-passenger trains over short distances although normally any long distance move would be in Class A passenger trains, empty or loaded. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Definitely no bullion vans in that train - the GWR bullion vans were very distinctive low roofed vehicles. But they were sometimes moved empty in non-passenger trains over short distances although normally any long distance move would be in Class A passenger trains, empty or loaded. Always knew when one was coming to Birmingham c1960. They came on the 12.10pm Paddington - Birkenhead due 2.19pm. This train was used because it was first stop Snow Hill. Around 1pm there would be a Police presence around the station and at the Fish Siding on the Snow Hill side. Just after 2pm the Station Pilot complete with PC riding shotgun would head through the station to take up position in the Down Sidings South. The Bullion Van was detached and moved to the Fish Siding for unloading straight into road vehicles to go to the Bank of England Cash Centre. Detaching was a smartly done move as the train was only booked four minutes in Platform 5, although it always seemed to get a clear run when used for this move and could pick up about five minutes between Aynho and Birmingham with a King up front. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 Clive Morty identified it (as has Mark, 6 posts above) on A Nod to Brent; very useful. He knows his coaches does Clive. I had thought there was a Bullion Van, 7 back and penultimate van (low roof) before longer coaches, however I bow to MIke's knowledge about that. Yes, knowledge is what keeps me poking around RMW, however annoying I might be. Ar$£ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 19 hours ago, 31A said: Is it this? http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=135 That was known as the 'Whitewash Coach' Steve. When there was a rough bit of track the geezer sat in it (Technician of some sort) used to let a splash of whitewash onto the track, to be identified later by a track gang. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: Always knew when one was coming to Birmingham c1960. They came on the 12.10pm Paddington - Birkenhead due 2.19pm. This train was used because it was first stop Snow Hill. Around 1pm there would be a Police presence around the station and at the Fish Siding on the Snow Hill side. Just after 2pm the Station Pilot complete with PC riding shotgun would head through the station to take up position in the Down Sidings South. The Bullion Van was detached and moved to the Fish Siding for unloading straight into road vehicles to go to the Bank of England Cash Centre. Detaching was a smartly done move as the train was only booked four minutes in Platform 5, although it always seemed to get a clear run when used for this move and could pick up about five minutes between Aynho and Birmingham with a King up front. At one time, there was a siding in the tunnel between Moor St and Snow Hill, I believe. In the early 1980s, I had an office overlooking Tyneside Central Freight Depot., which had a regular Bullion train (the 'Bullion' in this case being mainly 'soiled' notes) Again, it was evident when it would be due, as police cars were everywhere.. One driver had obviously been watching too much Sweeney, as he followed the train along the reception road. Such a shame the road turned to the left, and that he carried straight on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) I have built a Comet, Mk 1 Bullion Van and I have another in kit form; (both need a good home now). Not that interesting, however even those coaches were quite interesting and I knew nothing about them or their work and the weird vehicles that ran with them on the ECML up to/back from Fat Controller's neck of the woods. I've got a couple of Comet, Mk 1 Underframes to use for the Reinforced Bullion Containers that ran with the Coach(es). Mr. Bartlett provides pictures of all these interesting things. Edited March 15, 2020 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 I remembered mention of the mk1 bullion vans going to Leeds (i think there was a pic on Dave F's thread), but Google 'rmweb leeds bullion' and there are a few modelling threads where the workings are described. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Fat Controller said: At one time, there was a siding in the tunnel between Moor St and Snow Hill, I believe. When the Bank of England building was on the corner of Temple Street and St Phillip's Place there was an entrance from the tunnel which had the old Milk Sidings. It was hidden among the stables for the shunting horses used at the south end of the station I understand. There was also a Blacksmith's shop down there. I went in that part of the tunnels in 1985 when I was doing the plan for signalling of the reopened station. I couldn't identify the BoE entrance but there were a couple of bricked-up areas. Couldn't get any good pictures down there as it was the darkest place I think I have ever been other than underground in a coal mine. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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