Michael Delamar Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I wonder if anyone could tell me about the glass wagon in the background please? Ive looked in Don Rowland’s book and done an online search but nothing yet. I think it would make an interesting model. Photo taken at Huskisson goods yard Liverpool 1964. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Michael Delamar said: I wonder if anyone could tell me about the glass wagon in the background please? Ive looked in Don Rowland’s book and done an online search but nothing yet. I think it would make an interesting model. Photo taken at Huskisson goods yard Liverpool 1964. Assuming that the wagon number prefix letter is 'E' - which it appears to be - I would guess at a conversion of an ex-LNER Diagram 101 single bolster wagon, which was given the designation GLASS EA; (1 plank, non-vacuum fitted, 15'6" timber underframe, 8' WB). Regards, John Isherwood. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 Thank you John. Is there a kit of the bolster wagon in 4mm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 The BR Special Wagons Register, 1964 shows the following former 'unfitted' Eastern group Glass Wagons still in service. Glass EN :- E150651 Glass EA:- E187933, E188084, E188372, E188427, E188447, E204846, E204954, E205019, E205223, E205341, E205364, E205377, E205593, E205706 , E228207, E228315, E228445, E228475, E228498, E228500, E228566, E228610, E228633, E228731, E228863, E228888, E240100, E240120, Glass EO:- E235247, E235248, E235249, . The Glass EA wagons were obviously on their way out, and were in part replaced by the conversions of a dozen or so BR 'Lowfit' wagons to Glass EA (fitted). . Hope this helps ? . Brian R 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Michael Delamar said: Is there a kit of the bolster wagon in 4mm? Not to the best of my knowledge - though LNER aficionados may correct me. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Geoff Kent covers the creation of LNER single bolsters in part 3 of "The 4mm Wagon" in which he advocates using either a Mainline LNER Lowfit or a Parkside LNER Lowfit kit (PC66) to create one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Bill Bedford does an LNWR glass wagon kit in resin. That would get you over the hardest part, the glass frames. I don't know how close the body might be, but scratchbuilding that would be much easier. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Cheers all. Do we know of any other photos of this wagon type? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
watfordtmc Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 M, There's a rather small (70mm x 50mm) photo of E205223 in Model Railway News for August 1968 (vol. 44, No. 524). The photo is by Don Rowland though, in one of a series of articles about wagons he wrote for MRN during 1967/68. I take it by your reference to '... Don Rowland's book ...' you mean "Twilight of the Goods"? There's no illustration in Tatlow 4B, but the text indicates that these were post-WW2 conversions of LNER single bolsters as noted by John above. Regards TMc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 higher quality pic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Michael Delamar said: higher quality pic. .... and we can now identify it as E228863. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 The classification for Specially constructed wagons, Sept. 1959 has a list of 70 EAs. 15 are BR Lowfits and most of the remainer appear to be ex LNER as the photo (there are two numbers 435224 and 502156 are not immediately recogniseable. Strangely only one of the Lowfits has a VB against the number, whereas all BR Lowfits were built with VB. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdlcs Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 On 10/03/2020 at 01:40, cctransuk said: Assuming that the wagon number prefix letter is 'E' - which it appears to be - I would guess at a conversion of an ex-LNER Diagram 101 single bolster wagon, which was given the designation GLASS EA; (1 plank, non-vacuum fitted, 15'6" timber underframe, 8' WB). Regards, John Isherwood. Slightly off-topic but 8' wheelbase seems very short, at least to me. Would that be the shortest wheelbase out there, for a 2 or 3 axle vehicle, or were there hauled stock with shorter wheelbases? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Not many in the twentieth century, but I have a feeling there were some single bolsters with a 7' wheelbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 6 hours ago, jwealleans said: Not many in the twentieth century, but I have a feeling there were some single bolsters with a 7' wheelbase. There were, in the shape of the GWR's single and twin bolster wagons (the J8 Macaw and J9 Mite), which had 7' wheelbases. Some of them even lasted into the BR era, although probably not for very long. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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