RMweb Premium Northroader Posted July 10, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) C.F. PUY DE DOME. Anybody watching the Tour? Edited July 11, 2023 by Northroader 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted July 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2023 I certainly am watching. When it is so hot outside, the incentive to stay in the shade and do little is very high indeed. The railway we saw yesterday is not the same as the one in your PLM poster. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy Hayter said: The railway we saw yesterday is not the same as the one in your PLM poster. Has been rebuilt: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted July 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) Given that the original line closed in 1926 and went all of the way into the centre of Clement Ferrand, whereas the current line starts at the base of the Puy (Col de Ceyssat) and was built in 2009 - 2012 and is less than half the length, rebuilt is perhaps a bit of a stretch but I suppose it all depends on ones definitions. What you see in the PLM poster is definitely not in the "rebuilt" section. Edited July 10, 2023 by Andy Hayter 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted July 11, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2023 I also got curious when watching the race. There are some nice old postcards here: http://railsvagabonds.canalblog.com/archives/2018/08/31/36667242.html One of them features a very small van - for luggage perhaps. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2023 54 minutes ago, Mikkel said: One of them features a very small van - for luggage perhaps. Or supplies for the summit station? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted July 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2023 Or indeed supplies for any of the villages on the original route. But with a laboratory and observatory on the summit, you are probably right Stephen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Not Melton Constable! A 178 km long line in mainland Europe, that was run with 8 Beyer Peacock 4-4-0s, 9 Beyer Peacock Moguls and a solitary Stephenson 0-6-0 tank. Any suggestions? Best wishes Eric 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted July 28, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) ALGECIRAS - BOBADILLA RLY. It looks a nice sunny sort of place…. Edited July 28, 2023 by Northroader 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, burgundy said: Not Melton Constable! With that proportion of locomotives to route miles, it could well be! 17 minutes ago, burgundy said: Any suggestions? Well, it does say [R]ENFE on the buffer beam of that Peacock... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 From a list of Beyer, Peacock & Co. locomotives I downloaded from an I think now defunct site, the company supplied to Algeciras Gibraltar Railway: Order No. Works Nos. Qty. Type Year 7249 3163-5 3 4-4-0 1890 7251 3166-9 4 2-6-0 1890 7427 3354-6 3 4-4-0 1891 7426 3351-3 3 2-6-0 1891 0469 5626-7 2 4-4-0 1912 0598 5719-20 2 2-6-0 1913 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted July 28, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) Try this, improve your language skills. and whilst you’re there, spread out a bit and browse, it’s a great website. http://trenesytiempos.blogspot.com/search?q=Algeciras+Bobadilla (Me, I’m off to watch the footy, England v. Denmark!) Edited July 28, 2023 by Northroader 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Northroader said: Try this, improve your language skills. Worsdell-von Borries two-cylinder compounds! Now if the Lynn & Fakenham had had those... Described as a "primitive" system of compounding. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Northroader said: Try this, improve your language skills. and whilst you’re there, spread out a bit and browse, it’s a great website. http://trenesytiempos.blogspot.com/search?q=Algeciras+Bobadilla (Me, I’m off to watch the footy, England v. Denmark!) Great website - with some lovely examples of the idiocyncracy of Google translate! Curiously, the Algeciras and Gibraltar railway actually ran from Algeciras to Bobadilla, with Gibraltar being connected to Algeciras by ferry, since the Spanish government objected to the railway crossing the border. Spain seems to have been one of the few European countries to buy many British locos, partly because of the lack of indigenous competition and partly because there seems to have been quite a lot of UK investment. It must have been a fascinating place to visit in the 50s and 60s. Best wishes Eric 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted July 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2023 Well, I've been drawn in by a couple of rather nice Italian 0.6.0Ts. Both are liveried appropriately to Era ( Epoch ?) 3 which I understand is 1945-1970. However, they are of course from an earlier age. The first is a Rivarossi model of a FS Gr 835 0.6.0T of which 370 were produced of the prototype between 1906–1922. The second is a Lima model of a FS Gr 851 0.6.0T of which 207 of the prototype were produced between 1898-1911. No idea what to do with them but they are so very nice......... Rob 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted July 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, NHY 581 said: Well, I've been drawn in by a couple of rather nice Italian 0.6.0Ts. Both are liveried appropriately to Era ( Epoch ?) 3 which I understand is 1945-1970. However, they are of course from an earlier age. The first is a Rivarossi model of a FS Gr 835 0.6.0T of which 370 were produced of the prototype between 1906–1922. The second is a Lima model of a FS Gr 851 0.6.0T of which 207 of the prototype were produced between 1898-1911. No idea what to do with them but they are so very nice......... Rob Anyone know what the Kitmaster model represented? I don't recall ever having seen a motorised kit. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 They look glorious @NHY 581! 1:87? How do they run? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted July 28, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) On 28/07/2023 at 15:30, NHY 581 said: Well, I've been drawn in by a couple of rather nice Italian 0.6.0Ts. Both are liveried appropriately to Era ( Epoch ?) 3 which I understand is 1945-1970. However, they are of course from an earlier age. The first is a Rivarossi model of a FS Gr 835 0.6.0T of which 370 were produced of the prototype between 1906–1922. The second is a Lima model of a FS Gr 851 0.6.0T of which 207 of the prototype were produced between 1898-1911. No idea what to do with them but they are so very nice......... Rob ITALIAN 0-6-0Ts AND THEIR USES Well, Rob, I would hope that by now, using the links on this thread for Italian subjects, and your capabilities at producing superb small scenic layouts that can draw people’s attention, you would be very able to find a use for them. I’ve recently given a Rivarrossi 835 to go to @bgman’s old layout, (currently being progressed by @Re6/6 and friends) although it wasn’t in such good shape as yours looks. Trouble with Rivarrossi, they’re damned good runners, they’re old, so they tend to be well worn. Edited July 29, 2023 by Northroader 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted July 28, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) Meanwhile, back in the South Western corner of Spain, I was interested in getting an idea of the kind of railway those old Beyer Peacocks operated on, soo… (can you spare 90 minutes of your life watching a video??)… It’s a nicely shot video of a cab ride south from Bobadilla, a junction with the Malaga - Grenada line, out into sparsely populated country. The main roads have been regraded to pass over the line on bridges, doing away with the busier level crossings, otherwise it’s much as the original. The Northern section is still signalled with disc distants, and u.q. semaphores at the ends of the loops, and neat little country stations with a nice “house” style. There’s rugged hills in the distance, which the railway sensibly stays away from, although you can feel there’s heavy climbing round the shoulders of the rolling countryside. One scenic feature I liked was where the line crossed what seemed to be an old Roman aqueduct. Ronda is the biggest station, but then after about an hours run, the mountains close in, and there’s a winding pass through, followed by a descent which culminates in a run through a canyon with quite heavy engineering. I’m afraid he runs out of tape about then which must be when he reaches the coastal plain. Quite a relaxing ride through a different environment. Edited July 29, 2023 by Northroader 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted July 28, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) And the old station at Algeciras was also part of Britain, yes?. https://www.facebook.com/ondaalgecirastv/videos/antigua-estación-de-tren-de-algeciras/344043344439888/ Edited July 28, 2023 by Northroader 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted July 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Schooner said: They look glorious @NHY 581! 1:87? How do they run? 58 minutes ago, Northroader said: Well, Rob, I would hope that by now, using the links on this thread for Italian subjects, and your capabilities at producing superb small scenic layouts that can draw people’s attention, you would be very able to find a use for them. I’ve recently given a Rivarrossi 835 to go to @bgman’s old layout, (currently being progressed by @Re6/6 and friends) although it wasn’t in such good shape as yours looks. Trouble with Rivarrossi, they’re damned good runners, they’re old, so they tend to be well worn. Thanks both. The 835 is from the latest version produced by Rivarossi. It runs very well and I'll be fitting a decoder to it ( when I can figure out how to get into it-instructions are "suggestive" rather than instructive ) . The level of detail is tremendous and overall it's built to a really good spec. The 851 is from the Lima Expert range. No longer available. Again, it runs very well, flywheel helps. There is a slight issue with the valve gear on this one ( drive to undercab mechanical lubricator). Otherwise, once again the level of detail is stunning. It is, in no small part, due to Grahame, God bless him, that I have a quiet interest in Italian steam. We used to chat about his plans to build a small Italian layout and his scratchbuilt buildings are just wonderful. I do envisage a small layout in the future but I have too much going on a present. But yes, these two would form a nice loco roster for such a project and thank you for those kind words regarding my approach to trainset building. Rob 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Northroader said: And the old station at Algeciras was also part of Britain, yes?. https://www.facebook.com/ondaalgecirastv/videos/antigua-estación-de-tren-de-algeciras/344043344439888/ Built partly so that officers' ladies could escape from the Rock and enjoy Spain. I assume that other ranks were unaccompanied and their wives stayed in the UK. Best wishes Eric 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted July 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Northroader said: Meanwhile, back in the South Western corner of Spain, I was interested in getting an idea of the kind of railway those old Beyer Peacocks operated on, soo… (can you spare 90 minutes of your life watching a video??)… It’s a nicely shot video of a cab ride south from Bobadilla, a junction with the Malaga - Grenada line, out into sparsely populated country. The main roads have been regraded to pass over the line on bridges, doing away with the busier level crossings, otherwise it’s much as the original. The Northern section is still signalled with disc distants, and u.q. semaphores at the ends of the loops, and neat little country stations with a nice “house” style. There’s rugged hills in the distance, which the railway sensibly stays away from, although you can feel there’s heavy climbing round the shoulders of the rolling countryside. Ronda is the biggest station, but then after about an hours run, the mountains close in, and there’s a winding pass through, followed by a descent which culminates in a run through a canyon with quite heavy engineering. I’m afraid he runs out of tape about then which must be when he reaches the coastal plain. Quite a relaxing ride through a different environment. Bobadilla is a fascinating place for us railfans. A junction in the middle of nowhere really and now with a high speed station as well. We visited Andalucia in Jan 2017 for my 60th birthday. We stayed in Ronda for a couple of nights but I somehow missed out on the railway station there. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sncf231e Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 5 hours ago, cctransuk said: Anyone know what the Kitmaster model represented? I don't recall ever having seen a motorised kit. CJI. The Kitmaster model (Italian Tank No 8) was a Gr 835. The same prototype as the RivaRossi model shown above and also made in earlier, simpler, versions by RivaRossi. Regards Fred 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 5944 Posted July 29, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2023 19 hours ago, NHY 581 said: Well, I've been drawn in by a couple of rather nice Italian 0.6.0Ts. Both are liveried appropriately to Era ( Epoch ?) 3 which I understand is 1945-1970. However, they are of course from an earlier age. The first is a Rivarossi model of a FS Gr 835 0.6.0T of which 370 were produced of the prototype between 1906–1922. The second is a Lima model of a FS Gr 851 0.6.0T of which 207 of the prototype were produced between 1898-1911. No idea what to do with them but they are so very nice......... Rob With the original oil lamps, they're appropriate up until the mid 30s at the latest. Later on they were fitted with electric lights of roughly the same size, but without the triangle on the front. In the 60s smaller, brass electric lights became the norm. They'll be ok with the two-tone brown (castano and Isabella) coaches and wagons labelled FS Italia. 851s were designed for local passenger work, so one of them with a couple of coaches and a van is appropriate. Later they became more used for shunting and station pilot work, but a few were still used for local passenger services until 1969. The last few were withdrawn in the early 70s. The 835s were purely shunting locos, used in yards and as station pilots. The last one (835.166) was still in use, as a depot pet at Falconara, until January 1984! Being solely shunting locos, Rivarossi's decision, both on the late 90s version and this modern one released a few years ago, not to include or even give provision for a front coupling is very bizarre! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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