Ron Ron Ron Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 . 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted November 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2022 The tunnelling figures for all 3 machines were released today. Sushiia is still going slowly at 218 metres only 32 in 9 days. Cecelia and Florence are both on about 20 metres per day. Florence us just over 46% at7474 out of 16000. At the rate they are going they will be at their halfway by Christmas. Perhaps they arecon a promise if a good bonus. Whatever their motivation thry are going regularly at well over the expected rate of 15m per day. Jamie 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 TBMs ! You missed Caroline, which has only achieved 27 metres, in 30 days. Caroline is on the HS2 Ltd interactive map, currently hidden underneath Sushila, unless you zoom in. n.b. At West Ruislip the tunnels are very shallow for the first couple of hundred metres or so, so initial progress is expected to be very slow and cautious. . 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) 5 TBMs.... At Long Itchington, reassembly and preparation of TBM Dorothy for its 2nd drive, has already been completed. Today (24th Nov), Dorothy has re-launched and set off on the 2nd bore. https://mediacentre.hs2.org.uk/news/hs2-celebrates-launch-of-tbm-for-second-tunnel-bore-under-long-itchington-wood-in-warks https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2022/11/24/rebuilt-tbm-launches-into-second-hs2-tunnel-drive/ Edited November 25, 2022 by Ron Ron Ron 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Meanwhile, at Old Oak Common...... Plus, piling work for the GWML part of the OOC station, is supposed to have commenced..... . 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 The Chilterns Tunnels North Portal..... . 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JeffP Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 As a percentage, how much of this line will be underground? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) On 25/11/2022 at 09:02, JeffP said: As a percentage, how much of this line will be underground? Phase One = 140 miles ‘ish Bored tunnels = HS2 Ltd confusingly state 64 miles for Phase 1 & 2a - mostly on Phase 1. Plus cut and cover (green) tunnels, cuttings and earth bank screening etc. Also according to the HS2 Ltd website, there are 32 miles of tunnels on Phase One. They then list 27.4 miles of twin bored tunnels consisting of…… Euston tunnels (Euston to OOC) = 4.5 miles Northolt tunnels (OOC to West Ruislip) = 8.4 miles Chilterns tunnels = 10 miles Long Itchington Wood tunnels = 1 mile Bromford tunnels = 3.5 miles There are then 5 “green tunnels” on Phase One Copthall in Hillingdon Wendover in Buckinghamshire Chipping Warden and Greatworth, both in Northamptonshire, and Burton Green in the West Midlands. . Edited November 26, 2022 by Ron Ron Ron 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grovenor Posted November 25, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2022 Maybe the 64 is single track miles? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Whilst I'm always up for new trains, that won't be an experience I'll be keen to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2022 Going past several works sites over the past few days the thing which struck me was how unobtrusive some of the work is and how unobtrusive the line will be when it has opened. The Birmingham terminus site is a revelation having not travelled into Brum by train from the Coventry direction for quite a while the recent building development alongside the station site towers over everything yet presumably not even a murmur about it or its uninspiring 'architecture'. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 25/11/2022 at 10:34, Ron Ron Ron said: Phase One = 140 miles ‘ish Bored tunnels = HS2 Ltd confusingly state 64 miles for Phase 1 & 2a - mostly on Phase 1. Plus cut and cover (green) tunnels, cuttings and earth bank screening etc. Also according to the HS2 Ltd website, there are 32 miles of tunnels on Phase One. They then list 27.4 miles of twin bored tunnels consisting of…… Euston tunnels (Euston to OOC) = 4.5 miles Northolt tunnels (OOC to West Ruislip) = 8.4 miles Chilterns tunnels = 10 miles Long Itchington Wood tunnels = 1 mile Bromford tunnels = 3.5 miles There are then 5 “green tunnels” on Phase One Copthall in Hillingdon Wendover in Buckinghamshire Chipping Warden and Greatworth, both in Northamptonshire, and Burton Green in the West Midlands. . It will be like travelling on Italian Railways: over 50% of the FS is either in tunnel or on viaducts. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Going past several works sites over the past few days the thing which struck me was how unobtrusive some of the work is and how unobtrusive the line will be when it has opened. The Birmingham terminus site is a revelation having not travelled into Brum by train from the Coventry direction for quite a while the recent building development alongside the station site towers over everything yet presumably not even a murmur about it or its uninspiring 'architecture'. Your observation is interesting Mike and yes it is noticeable that the work atm doesn’t seem to be causing too much disruption in this part of Middle England. There is much going on further along the M42 from the NEC in each direction which isn’t thankfully adding to its usual traffic congestion and if you travel into New Street from the Tamworth direction you will see quite a bit of construction work. Further north,work is apace across the WCML at Lichfield and I can’t now drive into the city directly off the A38 due to it and won’t be able to do so for several months.This adds a bit to my monthly Arts Soc. travel and does cause peak time road congestion on the “road to hell” . We’ll see how it progresses.Watch this space…. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 26/11/2022 at 08:37, JeffP said: Whilst I'm always up for new trains, that won't be an experience I'll be keen to have. I’d love to live long enough to experience it. Fingers crossed.😇 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Solderpete Posted December 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2022 I thought some of you may be interested to read the obituary published in Railnews recently about my brother, Mike Storey, who originally started this thread on RMweb. 1 2 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted December 1, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Solderpete said: I thought some of you may be interested to read the obituary published in Railnews recently about my brother, Mike Storey, who originally started this thread on RMweb. Thanks very much for posting that Pete we better try to keep this thread on track in his memory. Jamie 5 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 18 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: Your observation is interesting Mike and yes it is noticeable that the work atm doesn’t seem to be causing too much disruption in this part of Middle England. There is much going on further along the M42 from the NEC in each direction which isn’t thankfully adding to its usual traffic congestion and if you travel into New Street from the Tamworth direction you will see quite a bit of construction work. Further north,work is apace across the WCML at Lichfield and I can’t now drive into the city directly off the A38 due to it and won’t be able to do so for several months.This adds a bit to my monthly Arts Soc. travel and does cause peak time road congestion on the “road to hell” . We’ll see how it progresses.Watch this space…. I encountered various works while travelling from Leamington to Peterborough in Oct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 First journey through a completed tunnel: 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted December 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2022 I was looking at a Youtube video about theclatest butbof restoration on the Lichfirld and Hathersage canal. This croses HS@'sxpath and HS@ are going to divert and restore the relevant sevtion of the csnsl and put a bridge in. HS2 have also given a large grant to the csnal trust thatvischelping them restore one of the parts of the canal that will join up with the section that HS2 are rebuilding. This iscthe video. It's not the most riveting prouction but the HS2 plans do figure sonewhere in it. Jamie 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) The Lichfield Canal already has an isolated aqueduct over the M6 toll road. Following the legal case that determined who was responsible for the cost of the aqueduct, the Government stipulated that never again would a road be built that blocked a canal restoration scheme without suitable mitigation (aqueduct or tunnel) being provided. Whilst HS2 clearly isn't a road, it appears that the same precedent is being followed. (Which does make me wonder what the situation is regarding new roads that block railway restoration schemes...) Edited December 5, 2022 by RJS1977 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium martin_wynne Posted December 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2022 Sorry if this video has been posted before, it's difficult to scroll back through over 200 pages. My question is why these arguments hardly ever mention the effect of the construction itself on the economy? Thousands of workers with money in their pockets and spending it. Thousands of sub-contracting firms thriving. Thousands of young engineers gaining new skills. Thousands of problems solved with innovative ideas which can be used again elsewhere. Opponents invariably refer to the cost as if the money disappears into a hole in the ground, never to be seen again. But a large proportion of it will end up going round and round in the economy for years to come. And a good proportion of that will end up back in the nation's coffers as tax. We all know that most of the gain, enjoyment and satisfaction of a model railway comes from the planning and building of it, not from the finished layout. Does the same ever apply to the real thing? Martin. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 4 hours ago, martin_wynne said: Sorry if this video has been posted before, it's difficult to scroll back through over 200 pages. My question is why these arguments hardly ever mention the effect of the construction itself on the economy? Thousands of workers with money in their pockets and spending it. Thousands of sub-contracting firms thriving. Thousands of young engineers gaining new skills. Thousands of problems solved with innovative ideas which can be used again elsewhere. Opponents invariably refer to the cost as if the money disappears into a hole in the ground, never to be seen again. But a large proportion of it will end up going round and round in the economy for years to come. And a good proportion of that will end up back in the nation's coffers as tax. We all know that most of the gain, enjoyment and satisfaction of a model railway comes from the planning and building of it, not from the finished layout. Does the same ever apply to the real thing? Martin. Infrastructure investment, especially in a recession, is one of the best ways of keeping an economy going. I seem to recall Mike Storey, a long way back, saying that HS2 is being built by a stand - alone government - backed company (HS2 Limited), and that just like any other company, has powers to raise capital on the markets using bond issues. The only actual government involvement is in guaranteeing the loans taken out (if the company goes bust, the government pays the money). Isn't this similar to how the LNER financed its much - needed Woodhead and Shenfield elecrification schemes, how the Channel Tunnel was built, and so on? ISTR reading somewhere that BR had to find the money for the 1955 Modernisation Plan by going to the banks and borrowing at the commercial rates applying at the time. I'm fairly sure that "The Taxpayer" (all of us!) isn't paying. If any of this is tosh, please feel free to shoot me down in flames! Martin's post is something that needed saying. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, martin_wynne said: Sorry if this video has been posted before, it's difficult to scroll back through over 200 pages. Opponents invariably refer to the cost as if the money disappears into a hole in the ground, never to be seen again. But a large proportion of it will end up going round and round in the economy for years to come. And a good proportion of that will end up back in the nation's coffers as tax. Martin. One of the tropes you get, along with "Only fat - cat businessmen will be able to afford the fares" and "It's destroying the countryside" is that "The government are putting money into their mates' back pockets". Does that include the "Mates" pouring the concrete and operating the machines, I wonder, or are they volunteers? Edited December 6, 2022 by 62613 mis - keying 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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