RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted August 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, didcot said: I think it was Adrian Newey who said that if Ferrari saw something and couldn't copy it successfully, then they would complain to the FIA to have it banned. Smacks of glass houses and stones, given Ferrari's so called deal with the Ferrari International Aid over legalities towards the end of last season. If I were Racing Point I would be applying pressure to have that deal publicised! I have every confidence that the 'deal' agreed between FIA and Ferrari about the examination of their engine last season was kept secret due to influence by a third party. F1 would have had a quiet word with Todt about the damage revelations might do to their pet series, which keeps Liberty in business, and offers FIA an opportunity to feel important. Lots of mutual interests there, at a time when electric racing is more visible than ever before and attracting manufacturers away from internal combustion. Ferrari being exposed as a sham could have nuked F1 once and for all. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 Bottas at Merc for 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53681055 https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29605429/mercedes-confirms-bottas-stay-2021 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted August 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2020 Bottas is the perfect wingman. Almost as good as Lewis, at least on his good days, but not consistent enough to threaten him. And none of the nastiness his predecessor seemed to display. 2022 will be a different world in all sorts of respects, always assuming Covid has been tamed by then. If F1 is still viable in a commercial world upended by the pandemic, the major changes to cars and teams may just bring the relief from Mercedes's domination so many yearn for. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sidecar Racer Posted August 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) Comments from Ross Brawn on the Pink Merc . "My view is copying in Formula One is standard," said Brawn, a former Honda and Mercedes team boss who also won titles with his own eponymous team, in a column here on the Formula One website after Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix. “Every team has, in normal times, digital photographers in the pit lane out there taking thousands of photos of every car for analysis, with a view of copying the best ideas. We used to give our photographers a shopping list. “Racing Point have just taken it to the next stage and done a more thorough job.” Brawn, also a former Ferrari technical director, said he’d ask every technical director to raise a hand if they hadn’t copied someone else. “You won’t see any hands. I have certainly copied others,” he added. Edited August 6, 2020 by Sidecar Racer 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 Perez possibly back, so the Hulk doesn't get to drive again. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29606745/perez-one-negative-covid-test-away-f1-return-quarantine-ends 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 21 hours ago, Andrew P said: No reserve Driver for Merc's? https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/04/mercedes-seek-another-solution-for-reserve-driver-after-discovering-gutierrez-lacks-superlicence/ The Three year rule!. Of those that have have competed in F1 in the last three years:- Felipe Massa. Stoffel Vandoorne. Pascal Wehlein, Brendon Hartley. Are competing in FE. That leaves:- Jolyon Palmer. Marcus Ericson. Sergey Sirotkin. Oh, an a couple more:- Jenson Button. Fernando Alonso. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, rocor said: The Three year rule!. Of those that have have competed in F1 in the last three years:- Felipe Massa. Stoffel Vandoorne. Pascal Wehlein, Brendon Hartley. Are competing in FE. That leaves:- Jolyon Palmer. Marcus Ericson. Sergey Sirotkin. Oh, an a couple more:- Jenson Button. Fernando Alonso. Not forgetting The Pole, Robert Kubica. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Oldddudders said: Bottas is the perfect wingman. Almost as good as Lewis, at least on his good days, but not consistent enough to threaten him. And none of the nastiness his predecessor seemed to display. 2022 will be a different world in all sorts of respects, always assuming Covid has been tamed by then. If F1 is still viable in a commercial world upended by the pandemic, the major changes to cars and teams may just bring the relief from Mercedes's domination so many yearn for. And Bottas says he talked to other Teams before confirming the Drive. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29607626/bottas-talked-other-teams-signing-mercedes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Oldddudders said: ...2022 will be a different world in all sorts of respects, always assuming Covid has been tamed by then. If F1 is still viable in a commercial world upended by the pandemic... There will be an F1, but the day of it being electric rather than internal combustion powered may just have drawn that much closer. It will be much as the end of steam for railway traction - meh - especially once it is the obvious autonomous drive machines competing. After all, the idea of letting humans career about in direct control of an assault weapon is fundamentally stupid, and getting to safe autonomous capability is what we all want. Let the robots crash for our entertainment as random appearances by artificial foul weather, the herd of cows, pavement subsidence, drifting smoke, bridge collapse, random vehicles with human driver simulations, GPS failure, simulated coronal mass ejection events, 'whatever'; occur to test the autonomous system's integrity. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted August 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: After all, the idea of letting humans career about in direct control of an assault weapon is fundamentally stupid, and getting to safe autonomous capability is what we all want. Let the robots crash for our entertainment as random appearances by artificial foul weather, the herd of cows, pavement subsidence, drifting smoke, bridge collapse, random vehicles with human driver simulations, GPS failure, simulated coronal mass ejection events, 'whatever'; occur to test the autonomous system's integrity. Crikey. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Andrew P said: Not forgetting The Pole, Robert Kubica. Oops!, Yes, I did forget Robert Kubica. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 Hamilton Contract Talks? He's not happy whilst people are loosing Jobs. https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/06/hamilton-not-comfortable-signing-new-contract-amid-mass-job-losses/ 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 Vestappen criticizes single Practice in Italy. https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/06/verstappen-criticises-stupid-plan-for-single-practice-session-at-imola/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 16 hours ago, Andrew P said: Perez possibly back, so the Hulk doesn't get to drive again. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29606745/perez-one-negative-covid-test-away-f1-return-quarantine-ends Seems to be a breaking update to that story that Perez has tested positive again, so Hulkenberg seems set to take the place again. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53691818 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 Racing Point fined and loose Points. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29612400/racing-point-fined-400000-euros-lose-15-points-renault-protest-upheld 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 Vettel riding in Racing Point Ferrari? surly that is breaking the F1 Bubble, and would seem to me to be trying to wind up the Red Car Bosses to a degree where they dispose of him NOW. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29612383/vettel-confirms-ride-racing-point-boss-ferrari 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, EddieB said: Seems to be a breaking update to that story that Perez has tested positive again, so Hulkenberg seems set to take the place again. I am not surprised by this. If it takes up to 7 days for the virus to show any symptoms than another 7-10 to get over it then staying away for 2 weeks sounds about right. It shows the value of the bubble concept though. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Andrew P said: Vettel riding in Racing Point Ferrari? surly that is breaking the F1 Bubble, and would seem to me to be trying to wind up the Red Car Bosses to a degree where they dispose of him NOW. https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/29612383/vettel-confirms-ride-racing-point-boss-ferrari Surely the bubble contains everyone in the paddock? If 1 of them interacts with somebody else, they are both considered to have broken the bubble. If Ferrari do not want to create another contract with Vettel then they should expect him to talk to other teams. He will still be bound by confidentiality clauses though. As long as he doesn't reveal any Ferrari secrets about how they screw things up, then they should not have a problem. What I don't understand is everyone in F1 wearing face coverings. Once they have been cleared & allowed into the bubble, it should be a Covid free environment. If nobody within the bubble has the virus, how can they pass it on? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: Surely the bubble contains everyone in the paddock? If 1 of them interacts with somebody else, they are both considered to have broken the bubble. If Ferrari do not want to create another contract with Vettel then they should expect him to talk to other teams. He will still be bound by confidentiality clauses though. As long as he doesn't reveal any Ferrari secrets about how they screw things up, then they should not have a problem. What I don't understand is everyone in F1 wearing face coverings. Once they have been cleared & allowed into the bubble, it should be a Covid free environment. If nobody within the bubble has the virus, how can they pass it on? I understood that each Team had also to create a Bubble within the Paddock Bubble, i.e. not go to any other Teams area. IIRC Vettel got into trouble at the first Race for going into Red Bull and talking to CH, as that was breaking the Ferrari bubble. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 Racing Point fined 400,000 Euros, lose 15 points Will they have to revert to last year’s car for the rest of the calendar? Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Darius43 said: Will they have to revert to last year’s car for the rest of the calendar? From the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53693249 the FIA stewards said the points deduction was "intended to penalise the potential advantage Racing Point may have accrued in the design process". I guess from that it’s to cover the rest of the season using the illegal parts. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Darius43 said: Racing Point fined 400,000 Euros, lose 15 points Will they have to revert to last year’s car for the rest of the calendar? Darius This penalty poses the obvious question of, what was the basis of the ruling?. Being as it not against the rules to copy aspects of a rivals car, but it is to be supplied from them, with the parts or the design thereof, then this decision is also going to put Mercedes under the FIA's spotlight. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulRhB said: From the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/53693249 the FIA stewards said the points deduction was "intended to penalise the potential advantage Racing Point may have accrued in the design process". I guess from that it’s to cover the rest of the season using the illegal parts. Yes, the fine and point deduction covers the car for the rest of the season. No requirement to redesign the rear duct until next year 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted August 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, rocor said: This penalty poses the obvious question of, what was the basis of the ruling?. Being as it not against the rules to copy aspects of a rivals car, but it is to be supplied from them, with the parts or the design thereof, then this decision is also going to put Mercedes under the FIA's spotlight. No, Merc supplied the design details before the brake ducts were added to the banned list of shareable parts last year. RP's mistake was not introducing the rear ducts until this year. If they had done so last year like they did with the front ones then all would have been okay 1 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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