Administrators AY Mod Posted September 10, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted September 10, 2020 53 minutes ago, Otis JB said: is anyone else a little apprehensive about Rails not deciding on a price and not planning to for the foreseeable future? It's quite understandable when no-one knows what the exchange rate will be like early next year dependent on a big game of Deal or No Deal. 2 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted September 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, AY Mod said: It's quite understandable when no-one knows what the exchange rate will be like early next year dependent on a big game of Deal or No Deal. Although, to be fair Andy, there are means to make that irrelevant. Currency can be bought and sold in advance, effectively setting the exchange rate that you will get now. What the impact of setting the price now would have on sales I don’t know, but I would predict a positive one. Roy 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 So does the 'sub £200' price statement no longer stand ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, GNR Dave said: So does the 'sub £200' price statement no longer stand ? That statement is not quite that black and white thought is it? It actually says "our aim is to produce the model for less than £200 (subject to £ / USA $ exchange rates on delivery)". So it is an aim and exchange rates "on delivery" is quoted. To my mind that suggests we don't get a firm cost until much closer to them being released, possibly even at release. Roy 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Here's a quote from rails on Facebook when reolying to someone about the price: "Prices have yet to be set and will be dependent on the exchange rate at the time of shipping. Our aim is to produce the model for less than £200" 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUCKOO LINE Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 If stage payments are made to the manufacturer then the risk is not on the final payment but spread out over time. It would seem a bit strange as other unreleased Dapol products seem to have a price quoted well before release, as do Hornby, Bachmann, Heljan, Kernow etc 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2020 But as part of the Kader family, Bachmann are in a different position. Quite possibly they don't make staged payments and certainly buying currency in advance just costs them money* - which means it will cost us money. * To no benefit to either Bachmann or Kader since they are operating internal trading. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I’d like to say, “My aim is to buy the model if it costs less than £200.” Unfortunately, I have purchased two rakes of Birdcages, so I am rather committed. Flip! It’s a good thing that I don’t play poker or negotiate with the EU! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2020 Rails are in business to eat, so it will cost what it costs them plus some profit. The £ worth of any item, be it model loco or anything else, is subject to individual taste and circs, surely. If £200 is a barrier, and after all it's just a number, then we have to do without. If the model is of sufficient quality it will sell well to those who can afford it. I expect to be among them. Selling a kidney, or your grandchildren into slavery, may release the capital you need, but neither option should be adopted without due thought. 3 5 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishdurham Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Oldddudders said: Rails are in business to eat, so it will cost what it costs them plus some profit. The £ worth of any item, be it model loco or anything else, is subject to individual taste and circs, surely. If £200 is a barrier, and after all it's just a number, then we have to do without. If the model is of sufficient quality it will sell well to those who can afford it. I expect to be among them. Selling a kidney, or your grandchildren into slavery, may release the capital you need, but neither option should be adopted without due thought. How many grandchildren per D? 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, CUCKOO LINE said: If stage payments are made to the manufacturer then the risk is not on the final payment but spread out over time. It would seem a bit strange as other unreleased Dapol products seem to have a price quoted well before release, as do Hornby, Bachmann, Heljan, Kernow etc Payments are doubtlessly based on milestones. Getting tooling done is one big milestone, production is another huge milestone. They will be almost certainly be forking out a 6 figure sum just for the production of these models. A resource that they could not really afford to tie down now by buying currency right away as there will be no return until we all pay for the delivered models (our deposits help a little but don't cover much). Normally the GBP is quite stable compared to most currencies but the we have two big factors which could affect the GBPs strength one way or the other depending on how these events evolve between now and when the models are produced. I have 4 of these models on order. Not cheap. Edited September 11, 2020 by JSpencer 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 09/09/2020 at 21:16, truffy said: Nevertheless, "Maunsell Olive Green", although interpreted slightly differently by different manufacturers, is decidedly darker than the colour presented. I can't help wondering if Mr.Maunsell was the only person known to have successfully crossed an 'olive' coloured olive with a black olive ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Oliver Rails Posted September 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2020 Thanks to everyone for their input and observations. I can acknowledge that each issue has been noted. This was of course one of the reasons we publicised and indeed the purpose of the samples themselves. Many of the issues had already been noted, however for reassurance I would just like to clarify the following; The SR Olive Green is incorrect but will be corrected in the final model. On the SECR, the bright red will be more of a darker red when produced. The crest quality will also be improved. The BR handrails will be black. White lining will be on the tender Thanks Oliver @RailsOfSheffield 12 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronny Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Oliver Rails said: Thanks to everyone for their input and observations. I can acknowledge that each issue has been noted. This was of course one of the reasons we publicised and indeed the purpose of the samples themselves. Many of the issues had already been noted, however for reassurance I would just like to clarify the following; The SR Olive Green is incorrect but will be corrected in the final model. On the SECR, the bright red will be more of a darker red when produced. The crest quality will also be improved. The BR handrails will be black. White lining will be on the tender Thanks Oliver @RailsOfSheffield I don't think the scraped beading on the wartime grey locomotive looks too realistic in these photo's. Any chance of a color closer to brass? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventnor Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Oliver Rails said: Thanks to everyone for their input and observations. I can acknowledge that each issue has been noted. This was of course one of the reasons we publicised and indeed the purpose of the samples themselves. Many of the issues had already been noted, however for reassurance I would just like to clarify the following; The SR Olive Green is incorrect but will be corrected in the final model. On the SECR, the bright red will be more of a darker red when produced. The crest quality will also be improved. The BR handrails will be black. White lining will be on the tender Thanks Oliver @RailsOfSheffield Thanks Oliver Will you also include black handrails on the SOUTHERN wartime black version? Kind regards Andy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Arkell Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Looking at the SE&CR version I note that the lining on the cab front should carry on down over the top surface of the splashers. If Rails want a copy of the Ashford works livery diagram I would be happy to supply it. John Arkell Membership secretary, South Eastern & Chatham Railway Society. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Locomotion No. 3 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Thank you for yours and others observations regarding the SE&CR liveried locomotives No’s 737 (Locomotion) and 488 (Rails). The factory have advised us that it is impossible for them to accurately line the top surface of the splashers. Due to the shape of the splasher it would need to be printed in a number of passes. Because of this there would be a detectable overlap/slight misalignment in the lining at the joins. We therefore decided at the review meeting that this would have to be omitted. Dennis Lovett Exclusive Models Marketing Executive Locomotion Models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Locomotion No. 3 said: Thank you for yours and others observations regarding the SE&CR liveried locomotives No’s 737 (Locomotion) and 488 (Rails). The factory have advised us that it is impossible for them to accurately line the top surface of the splashers. Due to the shape of the splasher it would need to be printed in a number of passes. Because of this there would be a detectable overlap/slight misalignment in the lining at the joins. We therefore decided at the review meeting that this would have to be omitted. Dennis Lovett Exclusive Models Marketing Executive Locomotion Models That's a bit disappointing I saw this on the photo and looked a bit unfinished not something I would be expecting from a high end model... Surely there is a way around the complex shape having seen various livery applications at factors... I am starting to have concerns... 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Bluebell Model Railway said: Surely there is a way around the complex shape There is . . 13 hours ago, Locomotion No. 3 said: it would need to be printed in a number of passes But as Dennis said it risks a more noticeable misalignment, I guess due to the convex and concave surfaces, so they’ve had to make a decision within a budget where people are already fretting about what the price will be. No doubt a separate transfer from a specialist could be commissioned but that’s not practical in mass production without a price penalty. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Bluebell Model Railway said: That's a bit disappointing I saw this on the photo and looked a bit unfinished not something I would be expecting from a high end model... Surely there is a way around the complex shape having seen various livery applications at factors... I am starting to have concerns... If you know of another RTR D - and I don't - then comparison will be made, no doubt. But whether it costs £200 or even £250 or more, it will still be the best and most affordable representation we are likely to see for the foreseeable future. Agonising over details of forthcoming models has become an online sport. Put the D to work on a layout with some birdcages and it will look superb. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Agonising over details of forthcoming models has become an online sport. What makes me chuckle is the frequent moan “but I shouldn’t have to on an rtr model” followed by, in print or suggestion, “it’s beyond my skills” . . too 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) How do they print boiler bands ? is it not the similar ? (genuine question, dont shoot). Edited September 15, 2020 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, adb968008 said: How do they print boiler bands ? is it not the similar ? (genuine question, dont shoot). Never thought about it before, but that is a good question! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: What makes me chuckle is the frequent moan “but I shouldn’t have to on an rtr model” followed by, in print or suggestion, “it’s beyond my skills” . . too Why does the latter make you chuckle? My fingers don't work very well as I get older and fine detail is unfortunately now beyond me. Not funny at all from my perspective. Roy 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 3rd Rail Exile Posted September 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: Why does the latter make you chuckle? My fingers don't work very well as I get older and fine detail is unfortunately now beyond me. Not funny at all from my perspective. Roy In my case, dexterity is failing more rapidly than eyesight, so fine detail is "viewable but not do-able". Unfortunately, now that the omission of the lining on top of the splashers has been pointed out, I now can't stop noticing the lining on the cab front suddenly stopping somewhere it shouldn't. But where would be a "better" place for it to stop? Adjacent to the "point" in the lining on the lower front cab side perhaps? Looking at the photo of the real thing in the NRM on page 1 of this thread it might be possible to devise something more "natural-looking" than the current abrupt end. Also from the photo of the real thing in the NRM, shouldn't the lining on the smokebox saddle extend back to the front splasher on the model - or is that too tricky to get "right"? (that's supposed to be a genuine question to those who know the intricacies of the printing, not a nit-pick...) Whatever is done it will still be way better than I could manage, so my pre-orders (one in SE&CR and one in BR Black) are staying... 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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